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Dear Juan:

 

As before let us take your questions and highlight them in parts.

 

If you get your contact with the real self through the Gyan Vidhi and therefore moksha from the body-mind reincarnation on this earth, then why  we still may need from one to 15 life times to get final liberation ?

 

The above question has an intrinsic error, which is being corrected...

 

If you get your contact with the real self through the Gyan Vidhi

 

The Real, The Self is realized in The Gnan Vidhi. The relative self of Juan is separated through Gnan, the Knowledge that takes hold. This Knowledge is: I Am Pure Soul. This Knowledge is not concerned with how many life times are going to be passed before final liberation. The question is for the one who was identifying with Juan as: I am Juan Carlos. This identification is shattered in the Gnan Vidhi. The Gnani calls this identification wrong belief. The right belief is permanently established. This right belief is: I am Pure Soul... Shuddhatma.  Shuddha Atma. This Gnan will remain until final liberation... when all inner words cease.

 

If you get your contact with the real self through the Gyan Vidhi and therefore moksha from the body-mind reincarnation on this earth, then why  we still may need from one to 15 life times to get final liberation ?

 

For the one who is having the question after the Gnan Vidhi... the old Juan Carlos, the answer is very simple. Juan still wants to continue with the old ways of deluded worldview interaction. That is the nature of Juan, the complex of thoughts, speech and acts, which the world knows as Juan. However, whatever Juan thinks, says or does after the Gnan Vidhi becomes pure discharge.

 

This discharge is best understood thus. In the past life the three batteries of thought, speech and action were charged. In this life they are discharging. For the worldly people who have not been graced with the experiential knowledge of who am I, during discharge in this life new batteries are charging for next life. For the One who Awakens in the Gnan Vidhi, there is no further charging and only the discharge is left.

 

The doer is Juan. The Knower is You, after awakening. In sleep of deluded worldview, both are one. Such a person will say, I know, I am Juan. The Awakened one will "say", I am the Knower of this person who says I am Juan.

 

Some human beings have heavy discharges. Some have light discharges. Some human beings have brought forth with them very heavy karma from past life. Some have brought light karma from past life. Both types meet the Gnani. Both are left with the discharge.

 

The discharge of Arjuna was left after he attained Gnan from Sri Krsna. This discharge was indeed very heavy for, as you well know, he had to kill his brothers, teacher, uncle, and an entire army of kings and soldiers in front of him. Our discharge is simply that which unfolds in this life. He annihilated the entire Kaurav enemy soldierfield and yet attained moksh. After The Gnan from Sri Krsna he did not have an iota of doubt about who he was and who was the doer. With the Gnan of Dadashri and His Five Agnas our task is much more simpler than Arjuna's.

 

Some human beings of this day and age have brought along with them heavy compressed karma from past life that prevent them from finishing off... being the blissful observers of...  all of them in one lifetime. The very nature of these karma prevent them form exact application of The Gnan of The 5 Agnas of The Gnani Purush. Such folks may take a little longer than a lifetime or two for their final release. There are others who have made firm decision to live in the Gnan of The Agnas of The Gnani Purush no matter how tough or heavy the discharge of karma is in this life. For these folks final moksha is at hand, very near indeed.

 

 

Is it because we may be still to attached to body-mind identification that even with the Gyan Vidhi this identification continues?

 

Good question. Not you, but the one with the old wrong belief. This belief has been established as a habit for innuemerable lives. In this life this wrong belief is shattered. The Gnan of The Five Agnas sustains the new belief. The old belief will bother those who do not follow the Gnan of The Five Agnas.

 

I mean for one side you are promised to get moksha but then on the other side you are on a probable (not for yourself to verify) 15 life times waiting list. Juan, wonders what sort of moksha is then the liberation you attain at the Gyan Vidhi?

 

Let us examine this question and you will find that the answer is already in the question.

 

 

I mean for one side you are promised to get moksha

 

Moksha is liberation from the cycle of repeated births and deaths. This is guaranteed for those who attain the Gnan of The Self and live in The Gnan of The Five Agnas. This becomes a living experience for those who live their daily lives after this Gnan. This living experience is no longer a promise of the future. It becomes the present reality in this very life.

 

but then on the other side you are on a probable (not for yourself to verify) 15 life times waiting list.

 

There is no other side for those who live in the Gnan of the 5 Agnas of The Gnani Purush. The other side exists for those who live outside the Gnan of The Five Agnas of The Gnani Purush.

 

Juan, wonders what sort of moksha is then the liberation you attain at the Gyan Vidhi?

 

You will become the awakened Observer of all wonderings and musings of Juan. You will become free. You will become aware of the silly struggles of Juan, and day-by-day with the Gnan of The Five Agnas you will observe the freedom and bliss spreading over onto Juan. The first and the main tight knot of bondage is snapped cut by The Gnani Purush in the Gnan Vidhi. You will be acutely aware of this right away. The rest of the sense of bondage to all in this relative world, will slip away as you uphold your Knowledge of The Gnan of The Five Agnas, as the past life karma unfolds in front of you... as now truly discharging karma. When all have discharged you will not have to return to this earth.

 

I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,I am afraid of this moksha being diminished with the passing of the years( if it is not steady) and then being put in the waiting list.

 

 

I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,

 

I am with you. Very near.

 

 

I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,

 

The greatest Grace of The Gnani is that He establishes the Sadguru within you. He is your Satsang. The nature of human interaction is such that like minded folks find their kind. The mahatmas of The Gnani Purush Dadashri find themselves in such a situation.

 

I am afraid of this moksha being diminished with the passing of the years( if it is not steady) and then being put in the waiting list.

 

The waiting list will only happen if you deliberately fail to follow the Gnan of The Five Agnas of The Gnani Purush. 

When internal restlessness arises as a consequence of missed Agnas in the form of anger, pride oriented behavior, forgetting the Self and greed, You will know and revert to your living moksha by coming back within The Gnan of The Five Agnas of Dadashri.

 

Please note that Y capital is used for the awakened One... Shuddhatma  and y  small  is used for the sleeping deluded one... Juan.

 

 

I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,

 

You will be given the gift of a little booklet called Charan Vidhi in English after the Gnan Vidhi  which will sustain your satsang. I am sure you will find all else that sustains your satsang after this.

 

What can I do Shuddha ,is all that correct?

 

Again in parts...

 

What can I do Shuddha..

 

You do not have to do anything after you meet The Gnani Purush.

 

is all that correct?

 

The correct is established in The Gnan Vidhi. A lot of your questions will dissolve after that.

 

If one  needs more than a life time for the final liberation, do we come back here anyway, or we are sent to a higher more evolved world (physical, astral,or mental) where would be possible to evolve until final liberation life time?

 

The Gnani Purush has promised that the environs of future life times for His mahatmas are going to be beyond anything so far experienced.

 

I like my gifts to be surprises. Every day of my life after meeting The Gnani has been a gift.

 

Sorry again Shuddha for insisting on the subject but as I don't have more information than through you I beg you to put some light on this.

 

I was just like you before the Gnan Vidhi, very eager to know and find out. When every fiber of my being surrenderd to Him on Gurupurnima Day in 1991 in Los Angeles I became free. The next day I received His Gnan.

 

 

I consider that If we start putting in the future what we can not see today how can we be sure that this will happen at all in such a big time span, is that not belief then?

 

Again in parts...

This is a very good point from you

 

I consider that If we start putting in the future what we can not see today...

 

For the one who is not awakened, every thing... the past , the present and the future  become issues. For the awakened One, there is only the present. In the present, Bliss Exists. This bliss is the living growing experience of The Science of Akram. This bliss steadily replaces the old issues of pleasure and pain, right and wrong, early and late, here or there, this way or that, to do or not to do, and in short all worldly dualities.

 

is that not belief then?

 

There is not much to believe in the following example:

 

If you see a woman somewhere and become aware of how lovely and beautiful she is, later on will she not come to you within your inner vision as a lovely face? Why ? You have carried her imprint within you.

 

If you see her but you become aware of her as another human being only. Will she come to you later in your inner vision? Why? You have nothing within you to take an imprint of her no matter how lovely others may consider her.

 

What is the difference between the two examples above?

Answer:

Inner imprints.

 

In Akram Vignan...new inner imprints are not formed. This is because the one who took the pictures is no longer there. The old ones will happen and wash off in The Gnan of The Five Agnas of The Gnani Purush.

 

Similarly, coming back to the main question of yours, the questioner vanishes in Akram Vignan. What is left is the old questioner and his discharging dying questions. Every question after Gnan, establishes his foundation more solidly on that which is The Self and rejects that which is not.

 

 

Thank you again Shuddha, your answers are like bread for my hungry soul. If you don't have time to answer I will understand it as I make too many. Be all blessings to  you

 

Even a drop from the vast ocean of the Knowledge of The Gnani has the capacity to douse the burning raging fires of suffering within human beings of this world. When he first started disseminating this Gnan in satsang, Pujya Dadashri had hardly three to four persons in satsang and he used to travel for hours in trains for satsang. He was acutely aware of not wasting a second away from satsang. We are now seeing the glorious benefits of his highest inner endeavour... purushaarth. The world is waking up to Akram Vignan and Living Bliss.

 

I share your blessings with the many many mahatmas, known and unknown who have made this exchange possible. I remain at their feet.

 

Thank you always Shuddha for your clarifiying answers to my juan,s so many questions.

 

The miracle is already happening....

You said... Juan's questions!!

 

Jai Sat Chit Anand

shuddha

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Juan Carlos Garcia

To: shuddha

Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 5:57 PM

Subject: Re: Jainism and Akram Vignan Follow Up

 

Thank you always Shuddha for your clarifiying answers to my juan,s so many questions.

If you get your contact with the real self through the Gyan Vidhi and therefore moksha from the body-mind rencarnation on this earth,then why  we still may need from one to 15 life times to get final liberation ?  iS it becuase we may be still to attached to body-mind identification that even with the Gyan Vidhi this identification continues?.I mean for one side you are promised to get moksha but then on the other side you are on a probable(not for yourself to verify) 15 life times waiting list.Juan,wonders what sort of moksha is then the liberation you attain at the Gyan Vidhi?I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,I am afrAId of this moksha being diminished with the passing of the years( if it is not steady) and then being puted in the waiting list.What can I do Shuddha ,is all that correct? If one  needs more than a life time for the final liberation,do we come back here anyway,or we are sent to a higher more evolved world (physical,astral,or mental) where would be possible to evolve until final liberation life time? Sorry again Shuddha for insisting on the subject but as I dont have more information than through you I beg you to put some light on this.I consider that If we start puting in the future what we can not see today how can we be sure that this will happen at all in such a big time span,is that not belief then? Thank you again Shuddha,your answers are like bread for my hungry soul.If you dont have time to answer I will understand it as I make too many.Be all blessings to  you ShuddhaĦ        still juanĦ

 

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Please note that the responses of shuddha above are simply the experience of only one of many thousands of mahatmas of The Gnani Purush
Pujya Dadashri and are in no way intended to make any specific claims for others. They are highly individualised and personal experiences and on this science all matters that relate to inner experiences and representations are for the person experiencing them. There is no world experience when it comes to the interaction of the self and the Self. Precise answers are the ones that result in a meaningful change within an individual for personal bliss and worldly peace. Such precise experiential answers are only possible when one meets a Gnani Purush.