QUESTIONS  from our readers...


 
 
 
 

 Param Vinay thhi moksha chhe
Absolute humility leads to freedom


Please note that the questions are in bold, the answers are in standard text. The full question from Rama is at the bottom of the page.

Dear Rama:

 

I am impressed with the quality and content of your letter and your questions. I feel joy in seeing that there is so much spiritual fervor in a 25 year old.

 

Let us proceed in satsang as we discuss your questions and comments. I will take the liberty to split components of your questions for further responses and satsang. Your questions will be in bold.

 

 

"Rejoice Eternally!!The heart rejoices at the feet of the Lord". I'm
reminded of these words from the classic by Sri. Shankara "Viveka Chudamani:
The Crest jewel of discrimination" when I bathe my intellect(or should I say
soul?) in the promise and wisdom in the web pages at:
http://www.dadashri.org, of which you are the maintainer/creator(I presume).

 

 

 

Turning one's purified awareness within on the witness as pure consciousness, one should gradually bring it to stillness and then become aware of the perfection of one's true nature. 383 Viveka Chudamani

 

Just as the one who has ascended higher on a mountain sees more, and has seen more than the climber who is following and has a lot more to ascend, the method described in the great scripture above clearly focuses on the witness, the sakshi as the pure consciousness. The ego remains as the witness. The Self is beyond ego. The scripture remains a scripture, a description of a candle. While possessing tremendous appeal and promise of the bliss of the Self, it remains just that, a promise.

 

The Gnani Liberator is the living candle that lights the inner lamp which shines its direct light on all tricks played by the intellect and, the ego. This is the experience of thousands now, in ever increasing numbers.

 

Yes the Viveka Chudamani addresses the issues of the differentiation of the non self from the Self, but alas it remains a scripture that holds the promise without delivering.

 

Also, on simple reflection over the words of 383 above, all  of it involves the false purushaarth of doership. Such a devotee is constantly aware of what he trying to do. As a culmination of Vedantic sadhana, the inevitable conclusion is …Neti…neti…not this not this.

 

http://www.dadashri.org, of which you are the maintainer/creator(I presume).

 

Just one of  a team. The major material on the site, translations of Dadashri’s Books is the result of collective effort of a number of very dedicated and quiet mahatmas of Dadashri.

 

 

I'm about 25 now and I've been attracted to philosophy from an early age.

 

We have noticed that majority of those who are gravitating to Akram Vignan, especially in India are quite young. A new breed of potential Gnani mahatmas of Dadashri.

 

 

For more than a decade, I've been reading Rajneesh, Krishnamurthi, Advaita
Vedanta, Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Ramana Maharishi, Ken Wilber, Upanishads,
Bhagwat gita, Vivekananda's books on Bhakti Yoga, Jnana Yoga and multiple
other treatises on Eastern religions. I've been practicing Bhakti Yoga for
several months now as the other paths of Raja Yoga and Jnana Yoga seem
difficult.

 

Quite a road on the path of freedom. Who amongst all these have impressed you the most?

 

 

I've been practicing Bhakti Yoga for
several months now as the other paths of Raja Yoga and Jnana Yoga seem
difficult.

 

After the Gnan Vidhi there will be no more yogas left for You to perform. Rama may continue to unfold all brought forth from past life causal karmas.

 

 

 

Here are some questions which come to my mind and I feel that with your
knowledge and experience(although they say that realization is not in time
and hence not a experience). you would be able to address:

 

Yes realization transcends time, and the experience is beyond words.

 

 


1) How can I make maximum use of my time with Pujya Dr.Niruben Amin during
my visit? I stay in CA and so the opportunity to visit her(even when she
would be in US) would be limited. So i would like your advise on this.

 

In Houston, contact Mukesh and Hema. Their number is....and mention our interaction on the net. Mukesh otherwise known as Vadil to the group will facilitate and maximise your time with Pujya Niruma in Huston.

 

Pujya Niruben is very accessible here in the west, not so in India, because of large crowds and busy schedule. Do make plans to attend the Gurupurnima in New Jersey. You will gain a lot there.

 

The choice is all yours.

 

 

 


2)After the gyan-vidhi, is final moksha a certainty? What is the difference
between the realization obtained by the method of akram vignan vs
traditional enlightenment/realization of spiritual giants like Sri.
Shankara, Gautama the Buddha, Ramana Maharishi or Shri. Ramakrishna
Paramahansa while they were living(and liberated)? Is it of a lesser
quality? Or would one become similar to a Buddha/Shankara?

 

Final moksha is a guaranteed certainty for all who attain the Self in the Gnan Vidhi of Dadashri and remain sincere to the 5 Agnas of the Gnani. As one progresses internally in applied Agnas, there is the awareness of the growing intuition that final liberation is not far away.

 

The spiritual giants you mention are the ones who have made their mark on the history of the spiritual path by virtue of tremendous spontaneous inner  transformation or in some instances like Gautam Buddha, significant purushaarth of inner penance and meditation. These spiritual masters have left scriptures or the paths as  their exclusive love for all humanity and living beings. They were able to reach there and do so, because of near perfection of their inner real state.

 

The enlightenment received by the grace of the Gnani is full and total knowledge. Since it has been received without any reference to suitability or previous sadhanas, this Gnan, explosive and phenomenal as it is, works within,. spontaneously and independently and, rises towards the State of Perfection-full enlightenment as the rest of the karma effects shed off after giving their results. To put it in other terms, the moon is always full, but is seen as a crescent on the second day and as the veils of the delusion is shed by the ever present inner light after the awakening in the Gnan Vidhi, there is the gradual but sure luminescence and splendor of the Self over all that is the non Self.

 

A millionth slice of the Blissful Self is bliss and no less. All that is necessary is for the seeker Raghu to taste this slice. Then the work is done. Buddha and Shankara had worldly roles as well, the salvation of others. Enlightenment is the inner phenomenon, without differences between such beings. The worldly roles of mahatmas of Dadashri are in the causal state yet, and will be defined in the lives to come.

 

 

Is it of a lesser quality?

 

This can only be the question of the one who has not arrived yet. There is no such question left for the one who has attained the Self.

 

 

3)Does the quality of realization through akram vignan depend on one's
previous efforts/spiritual level? For e.g. John is PhD in economics and  is
well versed in the scriptures and has taken great efforts to attain moksha
in this life. He believes in moksha and is intellectually aware that
happiness is impossible in this creation/Universe of "name and form"(or
becoming) and only in pure consciousness(purusha/being) lies the possibility
of eternal freedom/knowledge/happiness.

 

 

Joe, on the other hand, is steeped in materialism. He is shopkeeper by
profession. He has 7 children and has married thrice. He is constant
womanizer and takes great delight in pleasures of the food and drink. He is
dishonest and corrupt and will do anything to make money. His life has been
nothing but eating and reproducing.

 

 

Now John and Joe attend the Gyan vidhi. Can we expect them both to come out
as Buddha's or Ramana Maharishi's? or will only John come close to a Buddha
while Hoe will just have a "good experience" and basically be bewildered by
the feeling of bliss?

 

 

Excellent question.

 

All that we have in front of us is the net result of past life causes. The spirtual evolution, upaadaan,  life after  life is a fact. It is no mere accident or coincidence that you have been attracted to some of these great masters since age 15.

 

While such preparatory readyness for liberation is of value in traditional spiritual progress, and therefore would obviously lead John higher  and Joe lower in the example above, for the Direct and Total separation of the Vidhi of Akram Vignan such rules do not apply, says Dadashri. He maintains that it is the exclusive right and readiness of the one who meets him (in the Gnan Vidhi) regardless of his worldly state, spiritual or otherwise.

 

The likes of John above are often confounded by the tricks of their interfering intellect “ I know it”, that inflates their ego to the point where they fail to recognise the Gnani Purush in front of them, and the simple hearted ones like Joe are the ones who get their work done.

 

The value is of the heart and not the mind as Ramana would say. Dadashri has said a lot on this subject of the overwise intellect. To elaborate this further, it is the bhaav, the deep inner intent and not the external visible evidence that is unfolding in the present life, that is of value. John above while leading an exemplary worldly life may harbor lots of negative inner intents which he is afraid of expressing openly. Joe above while being socially and morally corrupt may indeed have pure and virtuous inner intentions. In this matter, in this kali yug, there is nothing that approaches passing grades of 33 percent says Dadashri. So he has given Gnan that liberates, to mostly all who have failed these spiritual examinations, not getting anything higher than 33 percent marks.

 

After Gnan as you know, there is no distinction between John and Joe. Both are effects of karma falling off never to form again.

 

4)In the scriptures and spiritual classics, enlightenment is described as
sat-chit-anand(and also in your web-site), it is mentioned. I read
references about bliss(anand) and chit(awareness/consciousness). But I did
not read any testimonials to the "all-knowing" scriptural nature of
enlightenment. Are we talking about a experience parallel to that of a
Brahma-jnani? Would one know that "Thou art that/Atman is brahman?". Will
one be a knower of Brahman after the gnan-vidhi. or are we talking about a
pale initial experience?

 

The awareness of the eternal is bliss. This is the awakening of the Gnan Vidhi. The chit that was thus far impure is now made shuddha, pure and perfect. The pure chit is the Self. The wandering chit is an effect and is slowing down in wandering and now preferring to stay at home. The awakened Self now sees the non Self, the activity of the 5  karma indriyas, the 5 gnanindriyas, the mun, mind as the 11 th indriya, the intellect and the ego which has become life less. The awkened One sees the Self in all.

This is the kevala darshan that is acquired in the Gnan Vidhi. The Supreme Lord within has awakened, but the weight of the discharging karma effects would have their clouds on this Sun. As they dissipate, there You are with all your splendor and bliss. Or if You remain as You are, the Sun, no clouds can veil you.

 

 

Are we talking about a experience parallel to that of a
Brahma-jnani? Would one know that "Thou art that/Atman is brahman?".

 

Brahm-Jnani’s have to remind themselves of Brahman. Atmagnanis of Dadashri, the mahatmas do not have to be reminded of who they are…The Self. This remains with them life after life until final liberation.

 

 

I would like to mention that I am aware from the web pages that this

realization is of two-stages.The first initial one: where ignorance is

broken and the final one after 2 lifetimes after which rebirth will not

occur. However, my question is: Did Buddha/Ramana etc.(while they were

living) attain the secons(or final Moksha) mentioned above or did they

attain something similar to the initial Moksha promised by Akram Vignan.

Kindly enlighten me on these and other issues in the email below.

 

 

The Gnanis of the traditional kramik path you mention had attained a very high level of the Light of the Self, to the point where they were unaffected by the state of their relative self,  the body. They did not attain the final liberation, Keval Gnan in this life, according to Dadashri. The worldly roles of all these great beings were obviously different. Only the Gnani Purush can address this question appropriately. I remain at His feet.

 


I would be eternally grateful if you could address these doubts of a seeker.
I would once again like to thank you for the wonderful web site you have put
and thus helped seekers world-wide.

 

 

It is only through questions and answers that Gnan is attained. Please clear all your doubts when you meet the Atmagnani in Huston.

 

Your remarks about the web presence of Dadashri are very much appreciated. Thank you.

 

 

With Namaskaars to the Divine Self in Rama

 

shuddha

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rama
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:42 PM
To: shuddha@cox.net
Cc: rama
Subject: Self-realization/Akram Vignan

 

 

Dear Shuddha:

"Rejoice Eternally!!The heart rejoices at the feet of the Lord". I'm
reminded of these words from the classic by Sri. Shankara "Viveka Chudamani:
The Crest jewel of discrimination" when I bathe my intellect(or should I say
sou?l) in the promise and wisdom in the web pages at:
http://www.dadashri.org, of which you are the maintainer/creator(I presume).
It was chiefly due to the promise of the short-path to
enlightenment/moksha/nirvana that I plan to travel to houston shortly to
visit Pujya Dr.Niruben Amin who is most graciously continuing to impart the
knowledge "Akram Vignan"(or short-cut to self-realization) of the late
Dadashri to the masses.

I'm about 25 now and I've been attracted to philosophy from an early age.
For more than a decade, I've been reading Rajneesh, Krishnamurthi, Advaita
Vedanta, Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Ramana Maharishi, Ken Wilber, Upanishads,
Bhagwat gita, Vivekananda's books on Bhakti Yoga, Jnana Yoga and multiple
other treatises on Eastern religions. I've been practicing Bhakti Yoga for
several months now as the other paths of Raja Yoga and Jnana Yoga seem
difficult. My search me brought me to your web pages and I cannot thank you
enough for sharing Dadashri's wisdom on the world wide web.

I'm quite convinced abter perusing the web pages that there is something
authentic/genuine that I(whose dissolution I seek) stand to gain through
Akram Vignan. I plan to go through Jnan vidhi on June 13th at Houston and
will be there from June 10th-13th attending other satsang etc of Pujya
Dr.Niruben.

Here are some questions which come to my mind and I feel that with your
knowledge and experience(although they say that realization is not in time
and hence not a experience). you would be able to address:

1) How can I make maximum use of my time with Pujya Dr.Niruben Amin during
my visit? I stay in CA and so the opportuning to visit her(even when she
would be in US) would be limited. So i would like your advise on this.

2)After the gyan-vidhi, is final moksha a certainty? What is the difference
between the realization obtained by the method of akram vignan vs
traditional enlightenment/realization of spiritual giants like Sri.
Shankara, Gautama the Buddha, Ramana Maharishi or Shri. Ramakrishna
Paramahansa while they were living(and liberated)? Is it of a lesser
quality? Or would one become similar to a Buddha/Shankara?

3)Does the quality of realization through akram vignan depend on one's
previous efforts/spiritual level? For e.g. John is PhD in economics and  is
well versed in the scriptures and has taken great efforts to attain moksha
in this life. He believes in moksha and is intellectually aware that
happiness is impossible in this creation/Universe of "name and form"(or
becoming) and only in pure consciousness(purusha/being) lies the possibility
of eternal freedom/knowledge/happiness.

Joe, on the other hand, is steeped in materialism. He is shopkeeper by
profession. He has 7 children and has married thrice. He is constant
womanizer and takes great delight in pleasures of the food and drink. He is
dishonest and corrupt and will do anything to make money. His life has been
nothing but eating and reproducing.

Now John and Joe attend the Gyan vidhi. Can we expect them both to come out
as Buddha's or Ramana Maharishi's? or will only John come close to a Buddha
while Hoe will just have a "good experience" and basically be bewildered by
the feeling of bliss?

4)In the scriptures and spiritual classics, enlightenment is described as
sat-chit-anand(and also in your web-site), it is mentioned. I read
references about bliss(anand) and chit(awareness/consciousness). But I dis
not read any testimonials to the "all-knowing" scriptural nature of
enlightenment. Are we talking about a experience parallel to that of a
Brahma-jnani? Would one know that "Thou art that/Atman is brahman?". Will
one be a knower of Brahman after the gnan-vidhi. or are we talking about a
pale initial experience?

I would be eternally grateful if you could address these doubts of a seeker.
I would once again like to thank you for the wonderful web site you have put
and thus helped seekers world-wide.

Very best regards and awaiting you reply,
Ram

PS. If you would like to put these questions on the web-site, may I please
request anonymity? I, like you, prefer to be anonymous at least at this
point in time.

 

 

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Please note that the responses of shuddha above are simply the experience of only one of many thousands of mahatmas of The Gnani Purush
Pujya Dadashri and are in no way intended to make any specific claims for others. They are highly individualised and personal experiences and on this science all matters that relate to inner experiences and representations are for the person experiencing them. There is no world experience when it comes to the interaction of the self and the Self. Precise answers are the ones that result in a meaningful change within an individual for personal bliss and worldly peace. Such precise experiential answers are only possible when one meets a Gnani Purush.