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 Param Vinay thhi moksha chhe
Absolute humility leads to freedom

 

Dear Vani:

 

You have asked some very critical questions. These, if understood well, will enhance your spiritual progress and lead to clarity within.

 

If we know an act is wrong but we have no choice but to do it or act
towards it, for some reason what so ever, let say when it involves
feelings. So how should we act toward the feelings?

 

 The Science of Karma needs to be understood. Simply stated, whatever you are experiencing through the medium of your thoughts, speech and body in this life is a result, an effect, and a karmaphala (fruit) of karma. The cause, the seed of karma were sewn in your past life.  That is called karma. The result now is the life as Vani. This life of Vani is being experienced through the medium of mind, which expresses as thoughts and feelings and speech and bodily actions.

 

Not knowing the above fact, results in confusion in human beings, and much suffering. All human beings are trying to change the effect. No one knows how to change the cause. To achieve the desired result, one has to change the cause. Right knowledge is needed to change the cause.

 

One cannot change the result once the examination paper is written. The examination was in the last life. The result is now in front of Vani in this life.

 

So, in this life if events happen that force you into that which is unpleasant or painful for others, you have to perform Pratikramans. These are explained well in the following book, free on the web:

 

www.dadashri.org/pratikraman.html

 

Simply stated, the person who gets drunk over and over again is going through a karma phala, an effect in this life. When he gets sober, if he repents sincerely, and deep down his bhaav… deep inner intent is to save himself from this living poison, and not hurt others, a day will come when he will be able to reject it and be free from its dependency.

 

The deep inner intent is the key. The Gnani Purush,graces you by making you aware of your deep inner intent. This is beautifully explained by Him in the cardinal book:

 

www.dadashri.org/whomi.html

 

Wrong acts performed in this life, lead to suffering. This can be resolved through clear understanding of cause and effect, life after life.

 

So how should we act toward the feelings?

 

Recognize that even when you did not want to do it, it happened. So understand that there are forces around you, which participate in the process. You were not the sole doer. Your intent was not to let it happen, and yet it happened. Be aware of these feelings and resolve not to let it happen again. Ask for forgiveness (inner silent process) from the Pure Soul, The Lord who resides within the person who has been hurt by your acts and ask for the strength from That Lord within him or her, never to repeat this mistake again.

 

By doing the above pratikraman, you will experience freedom within.

 

The final way is to know who you really are. Are you really Vani Rohini?

 

 When we are so attached to the spiritual world, the attachment towards
the worldly life drops but out of no choice we are still stuck in this
world, and carry on with the undesired jobs due to responsibility or duty or
etc. We get so tensed and irritated because we have to do something which we
are doing out of no choice, so what should we do in this kind of situation.
ie when we are neither here or there?

 

 

Dadashri says:

 

The world is the puzzle itself. No one has puzzled this world at all. There are two viewpoints to solve this puzzle.

By relative view point you are Vani.

By real view point you are shuddhatma…shuddha…pure, atma…Self.

The separation of the above viewpoints is natural to those who become Self realized by the Grace of The Gnani Purush.

 

The worldly view is relative. There you are Vani. There you are trying to understand and progress in worldly religions and seek peace and harmony. This will only lead to temporary happiness and peace. It will not lead to bliss and true harmony. All worldly religions merely point the way towards spirituality. They do not give you the end result of spiritual progress, namely permanent happiness and bliss.

 

Spiritual life, and awakening does not start until one becomes Self realized. Until then, one merely thinks that she is leading a spiritual life. Self realization starts with asking the critical question: Who am I?  Meeting a Gnani Purush, one who is Self Realised, attains the answer to this.

 

In your second question, you have summarized the plight of millions of human beings who suffer out of ignorance.  There is the constant struggle of what they want to do versus what happens. The struggle of, cause and effect. They are constantly trying to change the effect. So they then seek the answers in religion. Alas, they gain only temporary solutions. They read scriptures, attend church or temples, do pujas, fasts, penances, and meditations but they are merely running in circles. They are merely trying to change the effect. They may gain temporary peace while doing them. Dadashri calls all such human beings TOPS. Remember the toy you play with as a child. Wind a string around it and throw it on the ground and see it spin? We are all spinning in this life from birth till death. The string was wound in the last life as causal karma… bhaav karma. “I am Vani” is the foundation on which karma is caused, charged and created for the next life. Once you experience who you really are, no new karma is charged and your liberation becomes a reality.

 

, so what should we do in this kind of situation.
ie when we are neither here or there?

 

Desire to meet a Gnani Purush, and ask for liberation when you find one. Until then start taking a clear look at your life by studying the above great books:

 

Who am I?

The Science of Karma

Pratikraman

 

 

Hari om swami,

I acknowledge the Hari OM. By that you are addressing the pure Self within us both. The swami is new to me. To me the term denotes swa-ami… The nectar within. I reside within you. The Lord within is the only swami to seek. Awaken to, know and be at the feet of The Lord within you and you will attain Sat Chit Anand. The Gnani Purush gives you this.

 

With namaskaar to the Pure Self within Vani…

 

Jai Sat Chit Anand

 

shuddha

 

http://www.dadashri.org/

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: vani rohini [mailto: email withheld for privacy]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:50 PM
To: shuddha@dadashri.org
Subject: hi

 

Hari om swami,

I have this questions to ask:

i) if we know an act is wrong but we have no choice but to do it or act
towards  it,  for some reason what so ever, let say when  it involves
feelings. so how should we act toward the feelings ?

ii) when we are so attached to the spritual world, the attachment towards
the worldly life drops but out of no choise we are still stuck in this
world, and carry on with the undesired jobs due to responsibility or duty or
etc. We get so tensed and irrirated because we have to do something which we
are doing out of no choice, so what should we do in this kind of situation.
ie when we are neither here or there?

thank you.

Vani.




In response to above, Vani has asked some follow up questions...

 

Dear Vani:

 

Hari Om:

 

Here is the follow up satsang…

 


1. Anyway if the result of the "examination" is already been determined i.e
this life, then we have to act to whatever happens out of no choice.
Therefore we just do what we feel like doing until the liking gets
exhausted. Is that so?

 

 

This is important to understand. Everything that you think, say or do in this life is an effect…already determined. This is the highest knowledge given by Sri Krishna to Arjun, 5000 years ago in The Gita, and now by Dadashri in Akram Vignan. Vani will in fact go through life’s choices and events according to a predetermined role and this includes doing the right things and the wrong things. It is merely egoism to say that, “ I did it.” This sense of doer ship arises when you assert that: “ I am Vani.”  Vani is the name given to this body. Not You. To say I am Vani is ego, and to experience deep within and be established in The Atma, The Self as the Self and then say that “I am Pure Self “ or “ I am Vani”, is being ego less.

 

The One who is awakened, established as The Self, merely becomes aware that events in life are simply unfolding. Externally they unfold as events and situations.  Internally as the thoughts and perceptions and inner experiences within the mind of Vani. Even when Vani has determined and vowed not to say or do anything hurtful to others, it happens. Does it not? Why? Simple answer: There are forces beyond Vani that make it happen. Who or what is this force? Answer: Unfolding karma. When was this karma caused, charged? Answer: Past life.

 

Can the wrong acts, some call it sin, be changed to right acts? Sure. In this life? Yes and no. Yes from a worldy perspective. No from the enlightened perspective. If it happens, a seeming change in this life, it is an effect of past life. It was meant to be changed so it changed. It really changes when the cause is changed. In this life if you pray that: Dear Lord within me, I do not want to hurt any living being through the medium of my thoughts, speech or acts…then the result will be so in your next life. This bhaav…deep inner intent …is your purushaarth…your independent endeavor to rise and be free from worldly conflicts and misery.

 

Therefore we just do what we feel like doing until the liking gets
exhausted. Is that so?

 

Those who are asleep in this world, those who are ignorant of the laws of cause and effect life after life, those who are deluded by the maya…the illusion that veils you so you think you are Vani and this is the only reality…these human beings go on doing what they feel like doing… run towards pleasure and run away from pain.

 

Those who are close to being awake, who are graced by past life punyas…good deeds… come to question and they pause to  investigate on what is right and what is wrong… and try their best to do what is right for others.

 

Those who run after worldly pleasures realize that there is pain in such running and a few become wise and remember that all pleasure ends in some form of pain…all raag is associated with dwesh. Most avoid doing wrong things out of fear of being caught or being dishonored in the eyes of the world.

 

Those who are bound for lower life forms after this current human life, never even think for a second about the gross harm caused to others while they pursue their own ideas of happiness and pleasure.

 

So therefore, the choice is obvious. Vani must “ do” the best she can in living a life that causes the least pain and harm to others. The Self Realised …if You attain that state… is simply aware of what Vani does in this life as part of an vast unfolding scheme of life. In this observation, You the enlightened individual will be aware of positive as well as the negativities happening through the medium of Vani. This Self Realisation in Akram Vignan is possible by meeting The Gnani Purush.

 

 

….until the liking gets exhausted. Is that so?

 

The liking never gets exhausted. It continues life after life. All living being search and go for pleasure and their ideas of pleasure and happiness and when they get it they find that it ends…it is temporary. So then they go after further pleasures…what they think will make them happy. It is like running after water seen in a mirage. Those whose life effects are filled with much pleasure and very little pain are deluded, asleep. They have very little use of what we are discussing in satsang here. Those who find that they have seen some of the end results of temporary happiness, or those who suffer a lot in life, start seeking answers in religion and finally in spirituality.

 

The most fortunate ones are the ones who ask the question: Who am I?

 

 

So are you saying that this life that we are living now is not within our
control at all because what has happened, what is happening and what is going
to happen is already been determined by our past life?

 

This is again a very cardinal point to understand. These are not my words. These are the words of The Akram Vignani and also Lord Krishna. Some aspect of this has been answered above, but let us discuss it further. Dadashri says it very beautifully in the great book : Who am I ?

 

Simple answer to your question is, yes. Please recognize that it is the Enlightened World View. It resides as the final answer in the core of the person who has experienced it from all perspectives, life after life. Of the hundreds of thousands of traffic accidents and deaths amongst these, does any driver really want an accident? Does any wife or husband who toils day and night to make a life together, really want to hurt the spouse? Yet the hurt and accidents happens…why? These thoughts that arise within the mind of Vani…where do they come from? Are you causing them to happen?

 

As Vani you are free to make firm determinations to be a good lady, exercise, diet, whatever…does it happen according to your will? Or is it all just unfolding as your karma…udayakarma?

 

Indeed as Vani, having become aware of the above knowledge, you cannot simply say…if an accident is indeed predetermined in my life…let it be, so why do I need to be alert when I drive? Let me close my eyes and drive…

 

The above is an experiment. Try it. You will find that you will not be able to do so, drive with your eyes closed. The eyes will remain open. And that is precisely the point.

 

2. As regards to the answer for the 2nd question spiritual life that I meant
was after I question myself "who I am", "why I am here", "what is the
purpose" and etc. so once we start asking us this sort of question, I feel
that this worldly life is so useless, so are you saying out of no choice we
have to continue doing what is meant/fill like doing due to our past karma.
IF that is the case where is the stop to the life?

 

Again you have asked an excellent question with multiple facets. Let us take each one and see if we can see it better with clarity.

 

Please recognize and come to understand that by your own efforts alone, you will never arrive at the answer, the experiential answer to: Who am I? This is the Work of The Gnani Purush. So your conclusions in your question about the world being useless are filled with error. Vairagya…a sense of uselessness of worldly pursuits is a phase. It is a spiritual stage to be attained in the traditional methods towards liberation. This and tyaga…renunciation is the basis on which the sannyasis and ascetics strive for liberation.

 

In the Akram Vignan method… there is nothing to renunciate except ignorance of the Self. This ignorance is the extremely strong belief that: “ I am Vani.” This belief is permanently fractured in The Gnan Vidhi of The Gnani. With the establishment of the Right Belief: I am Pure Soul, a new look at the Life of Vani is established…You become the awakened realized observer of all that unfolds in the life of Vani…the good and the bad…the pleasant and the painful…the holy and the unholy. Having been freed from this sense of doer ship you are free forever…as no new karma is being charged, no new examination is being given and your final freedom …moksh is guaranteed.

 

IF that is the case where is the stop to the life?

 

There is no end to life for those who are not aware of what has been said above. Life after life, causes and effects continue, never to end. That is why The Akram Vignani is so precious. He has come to liberate us after a million years. These are His words.

 

Life continues without end. You have the choice to be free from it. That freedom is bliss eternal.

 

Jai Sat Chit Anand

 

shuddha

 

http://www.dadashri.org/

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: vani rohini [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:08 AM
To: shuddha@cox.net
Subject: Re: The Struggle of Life: What is Right, What is wrong?

 

Hari om,

Thank you for the answer given but i have this to say:

1. Anyway if the result of the "examination" is already been determined i.e
this life , then we have to act to whatever happens out of no choice.
Therefore we just do what we fill like doing until the liking gets
exhausted. Is that so?

So are you saying that this life that we are living now is not within our
control at all because what has happen, what is happening and what is going
to happen is already been determined by our past life.

2. As regards to the answer for the 2nd question spritual life that i meant
was after  i question myself "who i am", "why i am here", "what is the
purpose" and etc. so once we start asking us this sort of question, i fill
that this worldly life is so useless, so are you saying out of no choice we
have to continue doing what is meant/fill like doing due to our past karma.
IF that is the case where is the stop to the life.


thank you.

 

 

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Please note that the responses of shuddha above are simply the experience of only one of many thousands of mahatmas of The Gnani Purush
Pujya Dadashri and are in no way intended to make any specific claims for others. They are highly individualized and personal experiences and on this science all matters that relate to inner experiences and representations are for the person experiencing them. There is no world experience when it comes to the interaction of the self and the Self. Precise answers are the ones that result in a meaningful change within an individual for personal bliss and worldly peace. Such precise experiential answers are only possible when one meets a Gnani Purush.