CHIT
AND ITS SEDUCTION
Gnani
Purush Dadashri provides further details in satsang about the nature of chit,
the reasons for its wandering and the ways to keep it absorbed in the Self.
Telesatsang with Pujya Deepakbhai
Source: Aptavani 10 Volume 2, Chapter 6
& 7 Pages 290-302
The Energies of Chit
Chit enticed by Interest.
Q: In the latest
Dadavani there is the statement that' kashaya bhaave bandhyoon hoi tO
kashaya bhaave ookale'... if one had caused a bondage with feelings...deep
inner intent of kashaya...kmml..(see index) then the unfolding of such
binding from past life will be with the same bhaav of kmml. Please explain.
D: If one has expressed anger
and decided within that without an outburst of anger these folks are not
going to improve, while expressing anger in past life...kashaya bhaav...deep
inner intent...then the unfolding will be in the form of anger unfolding in
this life as well. If it had been bound with raagbhaav...feelings of
attraction and attachment...then the expression in this life will be
similar. Dwesh will result in dwesh. The process of causation the charging
of subatomic particles...parmanoos depends on the nature of the causal
bhaav. If the intent was dwesh...abhorrence then these subatomic particles
are charged. Now in this life further causation has ceased but the
charged parmanoos... are now discharging as effect. By looking at the nature
of effect one knows the kind of parmanoos accumulated, charged in past life.
So for mahatmas there is no bhaav krodh...charge krodh anymore...simply a
discharge ungamo...( Dadashri does not call it krodh anymore)
'If I scold him, he will
straighten up' this intent, bhaav, attracts anger parmanoos.
Q: In Aptavani 13
summary outlined at the end of The July 2002 Dadavani there is mention of
the division of eight types of karma. Where does the knots of the
mind...manogranthiis...fit in this context?
D: The eight karmas are
formed in the causal body by charging and accumulation of these parmanoos of
various types. When these karma discharge then the expression is in the
medium of mun, vani and vartan...thoughts (mind), speech and acts. If
he has antarai karma...obstructing karma or darsahavaraniya...perception
intuition covering karma then the causes have been such via the parmanoos.
This mind is therefore made up of such knots which have come from
dravyakarma. These knots express as deluded vision...eg for mohaniya
karma knots in this life he may have moha for vishaya...sex, money etc. (Moha
here meaning a veil over the Bliss of The Self...resulting in the expression
of movements towards the non self as in sex, money etc) These karma called
dravyakarma are in the form of a veil...which deludes and when it expresses
it is seen as vyavahaar...interaction of mvk...thoughts, speech and acts.
All these eight karma knots
express in varying degrees. If it is small it expresses in thoughts only, if
more it may spill over in words and furthermore may also result in overt
acts. The shata ashata vedaniya...the pleasure pain perception karma
may remain within the body or in the mind only and it all arises from
dravyakarma.
Let us not be too concerned
for the detailed connection of this. If we enter too deep in it now there
are chances of becoming confused. It will be experienced as time passes. For
us the key is 5Agnas and Shuddhatama.
Now let us take chapter 6
which discusses the powers of chit. Within this body anytime there is any
disease or pain e.g. a headache then the chit goes there and informs. Then
this is further followed up by buddhi or mind and then whatever action is
needed follows through....e.g... massage...medication. The first
response is from chit...e.g. from a mosquito bite. If his chit is distracted
e.g. while watching TV then...the the insect bite message is not properly
received.
Chit is very helpful in
decreasing physical ailments and suffering, if properly employed through
correct focusing on the area of pain in association with proper breathing
techniques. This avoids unnecessary medications. However, folks are more
interested in a quick fix of a dose of a medicine.
Dadashri talks about presence
of chit and its benefits, and absence of chit and consequent ailments.
If chit is absent while eating, one is even liable to chew his own tongue.
If the oragniser...the one who is in control of chit...becomes lax then this
happens. The presence of the chit is the component of The Self and the
absence of the chit is the impure chit. The purified chit stays with the
Self. The impure chit...is that which strays and wanders.
Even while singing the arti
of SS and Dada if the chit goes astray...one will mix the order of singing
or words from one to the other. When the chit is not exactly present on the
task at hand ...confusion and problems arise. If the keys are placed
somewhere without the presence of the chit...a lot of hassle ensues and time
is wasted in locating the keys when the time comes.
Q: When there is pain
in the body..does the chit experience pain?
D: No the chit simply brings
the message and the ego takes over by saying...I am hurting. The chit can be
very helpful like a focused light beam in a dark room...telling you
what is going on. This observation power has to be developed. The chit
simply shows. The illusion takes over and he says I am hurting. The
neighbor...F1 is hurting but we say I am hurting. The messenger is chit.
Q: Could it be that
if we ignore it we will suffer less?
D: Not so. Actually the pain
was there, but we were not paying attention. The exact attention is to be
aware of the signals and not give opinions about them.
Q: Are we to see the
chit via pragnya?
D: Yes. This observation
purifies the chit....and it reverts back to the Self. The wandering chit decreases
the experience of the Self. The contained chit increases the experience of
The Self.
Q: So when some body
part is hurting what is better...to keep chit in Dada or to send
the chit there...?
D: If it is unbearable then
keep the chit in Dada...but to observe the chit and its wanderings is a much
higher form of jagruti...awareness.
Q:How is it possible
to continue observing the chit? This is pretty difficult.
D: By starting the practice
of observation in slow increments you will accomplish a lot...5 minutes...7
minutes... so then we come to the next chapter 8 wherein Dadashri says
that the chit slips away from the Self because it has interest in other
things. Once the interest happens...then the chit follows through. One is
interested in walking...so early morning the chit will see the scenes of
walking and start the cues. He goes walking because his interest is in
walking.
Q: How do we keep the
chit in The Self?
D: To keep the chit with the
Self...become without any interest. " Interest vagar na thaaO" Are
you drawing the wandering chit back?( Dadashri page 300) If the interest is
in money...money occupies your time and that much time you are away from the
Self.
Q: Is this due to
raag dwesh?
D: yes. Raag is interest...dwesh
is disinterest. These are the fundamental reasons for the wandering chit.
Q:All this wandering
chit is bharelo maal...accumulated load of last life expressing in this life
( implying that one cannot do anything about it)
D: Yes there is old load of
last life but the straying of chit is not bharelo maal. Thoughts are bharelo
maal. Thoughts represent the load of last life unfolding. Chit does not.
Chit is dependant on interest and disinterest. Interest does turn into
disinterest.
Q: Are you saying
that it is within our control not to become tanmayakar...I am the
body...or not to become I am this body?
D: Of course. If the bhajiyas
are being fried in the kitchen, the aroma will cause the chit to go
repatedly to the kitchen. Even if the chit does not go there...the bhajiyas
are ultimately going to go into the stomach, when the time comes and they
are served properly. What is the point of the useless wandering of the chit
until then?
Q: Does it therefore
mean that when the chit is going to the kitchen and the bhajias at an
inappropriate time, I have to tell Himanshu...do not go there...stay in the
Atma?
D: No if you obstruct it it
will go even more. Just observe what it is doing and where it is going.
Converse with it. What is the special taste that you are after? Do you not
know the after effects of fried food? What is the big deal about the simple
taste of bhajias? Why so much running around for something which is going to
stay less than a minute on the tongue? We are the knower of the taste not
the sufferers of the taste. It is the interest that makes the chit wander.
The body is going to get its share of the bhajias once they are made in the
home. Why the unnecessary jumping around? The interest is associated
with..." I love the taste of bhajias..."
Q: Is this due to
wrong belief...?
D: Yes all this chit etc has
arisen from the wrong beliefs.
That is why Dadashri tells us
to find out where the interest is. These interests drag the chit away from
Your bliss. These interests are therefore harmful to us. When you devalue
these external interests then the tendencies of the chit...chitvruttis will
return home...to the Self.
Q: How do you devalue
that which is attracting the chit?
D: Dadashri says ...take a
day like Sunday and take time to observe the chit as is. Even if it goes
away for a moment see it. Start with an hour and then all day and then when
it becomes a constant state of observation then kalyan...the final
attainment ...has occurred. Investigate the causes of why the chit wanders
away from the Self. What is the residual attracting force in this thing
or person...that is taking away this chit? What is the reason behind it?
Now Dadashri proceeds
further...asks us ...are you interested in your wife cursing or or not
cursing you? Answer...not yelling or cursing. Dadashri replies that in both
instances your chit will wander. Both will make your chit wander. This is
because your interest lies in your wife not yelling at you.
Arise above interest and disinterest and revert to The Self.
Khicchhadee or laadvo...whatever
comes...will do. There is no preoccupation for the laadvo...sweetball and no
disinterest and subtle dislike and avoidance related chit wandering for the
hotchpotch of rice and lentils. What comes is exact and correct. No wasting
of time with the wandering chit. There is no interest in what will come.
There is no interest in what will happen. The present is the key and that is
The Self. The account of pudgala parmanoos will draw in the exact type
and nature of food.
D: The chit spare part is
defective and therefore all the rest...buddhi ego... has to follow
through.
Therefore take time and find
out where the interest lies for an hour. We will investigate where the
chit is interested and not interested.
And come back to the Self.
Q: So we have to talk
internally?
D: Yes..say what is the fun
here in watching cricket? Devalue it. Ultimately it will fall off...
Dadashri says that he
withdrew rus...interest from each individual thing. Thereafter, if it came
in front e.g. shreekhand...dessert the body will eat but the chit will have
no unnecessary wanderings. Associated with this is the development of the
full spectrum of vision...end result...paarinaaamik drashtii...from dust to
laadva...and laadvaa to dust...why the excitement?
Q: What is this
aatmashakti that bends spoons by concentration power...?
D: It is relative shakti of
the Self...powerchetan. Not real. One man said that he can draw a glass of
steel filled with water because of his 20 year sadhana...whereupon the other
replies that I have my powers too for which I have not had any sadhana. Show
me said the yogi who was proud of his 20 year effort. The man simply calls
his son...son bring me a glass of water...this is so easy...why would I
waste 20 years of my life on this...?
Q: How can one put to
good use the powers of the chit?
D: For Jagat Kalyan. For the
salvation of the world. Once you revert to The Self...the rest...the MVK
will automatically become useful for the world. Currently we are involved in
the purushaarth...highest internal effort...of withdrawing the chit from
that which is unnecessary...sansaari baabato...worldly matters... and from
atakans...those heavy past life knots within...that pulls us away into sex,
money gathering, status seeking etc...even if we have no fresh desire to do
so.
Q: Is samayik the way
to see this chit wandering?
D: Yes this is one way to
increase the shakti to observe. Even five minutes is a start.
This increases as you
practice more.
Dadashri says that our
chit...The Gnani Purush's...does not stray in any temporarily worldly
circumstance. If it has to leave it leaves after a Vidhi and then after
performing the desired task the chit comes back to us promptly. It does not
get lost or stuck anywhere. Whereas for us its like a little child who has
been sent to the store to buy some vegetables but gets lost in buying a
chocolate and eating it...forgetting the goal.
Dadashri never wasted time to
know what was in his suitcase...bag despite world travelling. If there was
no one to help then he would take care of the clothes. But otherwise he did
not waste time being concerned with his clothes and what was in the bag,
etc.
Some ladies complain a lot
about being overworked in the kitchen. Then when a cook is around to do the
meals, she still hovers around and messes around in the kitchen saying if I
do not cook with my hands I do not enjoy the meals. So make up your mind. If
you want to work then do not complain. They have the interest. Some
mother in laws readjust everything in the kitchen even after it has all been
done by the daughter-in-law....and vice versa. Such interest needs to be
eradicated. It is a waste of precious time away from The Self.
Q: If the role of
pragnya is to see what the mbca are doing then what is the difference
between the mahatma who is doing all the vidhis...charan, namaskar, pratah,
spp...shuddhatma pratye prarthana,satsang etc and the mahatma who is
doing his daily business? Let us assume that in both instances the pragnya
is in operation doing the same task of inner observation.
D: This is theoretical
knowledge. For now one has to attend to 5Agnas. Job is a file. I am
SA. I need to do SBN with all files. I need to accumulate the real account
of SA. V is the doer. What you are describing is the last stages of
spiritual evolution in Gnan. Currently we are still at the kindergarten
level of agnas. We have just come to the kindergarten level of Vitarag
Vignan....The Science of The Fully Enlightened Ones. What you are describing
is Ph.D level talks. Dadashri unfolded everything... and told us what to
expect ahead as a milestone. Today's task for us is different. It is
focused on Agnas. And patikramans. Take an occasional hourly practice per
week to see what is happening within...otherwise your files will complain.
Q: Yes but what is
the difference between the 2 mahatmas above?
D: The one in satsang is more
aware and jagrut with greater ease than the mahatma involved in daily work.
Such a mahatma has farajiat satsang...mandatory in his udaya...unfolding
life. For him the purushaarth of increasing jagruti is easier than the one
who has to hassle with files in daily business. The other man has decreasing
jagruti chances. By remaining in Agnas he is insulated but the forces of
vyavahaar have a definite downward pull.
Q: So the main thing
is where the upayog is...focused awareness is...
D: Yes... For those with
files the easy way is through 5Agnas.
Q: Ultimately the
files will have to be decreased...( Note that the questioner assumes that it is
in hands to decrease files...)
D: Yes that is why your
participation in Janmajayanti, Gurupurnima, Shibirs and Jatras is encouraged
as it gives you the break from sansaar...worldly involvements..
Q: Yes that is all a
step...but ultimately...
D: Yes...that is true...one
has to start letting go of the world....
Q: What is the role
of chit with reference to seeing within...?
D: It is different. It
depends on what the intent is to see within...Arjun saw only the eye of the
fish and Duryodhan saw the sky...while training as archers under Dronacharya...so
one sees what his drashri...vision is. The
interest is the key
Q: Yes but the
interest of all mahatmas is to be liberated...moksh...
D: Yes but the knots still
exist within...everyone reads the newspaper but each one has a different
interest in it. One reads sports pages, another financial another
political...
The eyes are simply the
instrument, the inner seer is seeing...
Q: From such
activities one can tell what the knots are...
Dadashri studied his own life
incident ...preGnan... where his shoes were stolen as he was coming out of a
temple. The inner maan...pride arose that it would look odd walking in
public without shoes...and later with study he realized that folks are too
busy to look at what you are wearing. All were looking at his face except
the cobbler.
Q: In the following
chapter ...page 304...there is a statement by Dadashri that " If
one can learn to become nirvikaari in vikaar then the virya will
rise..." Please explain...simply stated...If amidst an abundance
of sexual environs, one learns how to remain without being enticed then
the inner energies will rise higher instead of dissipating...or at a more
gross level the semen arises versus being wasted...
D: That is the eight chapter
and is the topic for next week...
( A discussion follows where
the questioner will be at the GP celebrations in Chicago...and then stated
that he will ask this question to Pujya Niruma ).
Q: On page 290
Dadashri states that he never used his head in the wrong path...explain
please...
D: Oh all the hassles in
daily life which create headaches for others...
When people get exasperated
...then speech has been used the wrong way. If they want you to continue
speaking...you know its the right speech.
Dadashri says that the
essence of all scriptures is to bring home the chit vruttis...the wandering
tendencies of chit.
This is so beautiful. All you
have to see is the areas of interest within you and follow up with plus
minus. For disinterest...plus. For interest...minus.
Enquire where the bliss and
fayado...profit is. Wandering chit or the still chit.
Observe where it goes...see
and bring it back gently... by talking to it.
The ultimate goal is to be be
interested only in Shuddhatma and nothing else.
All atakans...those which
pull away the chit whether the owner wants to or not... are because of
interest. Usually an atakan is the result of active excessive onging
interest in the same thing life after life...eg sex. This is because
life after life opinions have been laden upon successive opinions to the
point where the massive accumulations of the opinions have become an atakan...eg
sex is fun.
The analogy is of a huge ball
of steel which has been placed on a hot stove for a long time. The heat is
taken up by the ball of steel and it becomes red hot and long after
the stopping of the heat underneath it continues to dissipate heat. Likewise
this pudagal of this life has become an atakan like the heated ball of
steel. The effect of passions remains long after the cause has been
removed...and our Gnan helps us recognise its true nature. As soon as the
nimit comes across the chit vruttis ...go all over it
immediately...attraction and passions arise upon seeing such a nimit because
of the presence of the atakan from previous life.
Our role is to wash and
purify each phase ...paryaya ...of such interaction...from within...that
this is wrong, not my Real nature...make F1 repent, see Shuddhatma
within the person who is attractive, etc. Apply all aspects of Dadashri's
Gnan and let the critical time pass...so that you are
unmoved and you chit vruttis have been exactly withdrawn. 100000 opinions
have been given in the past and now an atakan has arisen. The task is
to divide each one of these opinions which arise during the interaction of
the event which unfolds in front of you from within. That is Purushaarth.
Purushaarth enoo naam
ke hisaab hoi ...tyaaye naa jhalaavaa dey...
The highest inner endeavour
...purushaarth ...is defined when a decided previous account of chit getting
ensnared, enticed and seduced is defied and such an interaction is
prevented.
The above satsang was
followed by viewing in samayik all interest and disinterest in worldly
matters...and travels of chit.
The next satsang will be
based on the latest July Dadavani which discusses issues of various steps of
purushaarth in great detail and shows Dadashri in all His satsang splendor.
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Sat Chit Anand
The
Awareness Of The Eternal Is Bliss.
Legend:
D:
Deepakbhai
N:
Niruben
SBN:
Sambhaave Nikaal...Settle with Equanimity. Be done with it without attachment
or abhorrence.
GD:
Gnaata Drashta...Knower-Seer
SA:
Shuuddhatma
5A:
Five Agnas
Q:
Mahatma Questioner
DB:
Dadashri Dada Bhagwan , Original Gnani Purush
AV:
Akram Vignan
CV:
Charan Vidhi
V:
Vyavasthit also SCE
F:
File
F1:
File no 1.
M:
Moksh
P:
Pratikraman
Pu:
Purushaarth
Pr:
Prakruti.
J:
jagruti
JJ:
jabbar jast...phenomenal and extraordinary advance in spirituality...here.
KMML:
krodh maan maya Lobh...anger, false pride, taking relative as real...illusion,
greed.
B:
Brahmacharya... Freedom from all sexual impulses and bondage of these
inclinations and impulses.
TNMK:
Tan Maya Akaar...to become the shape of the body...to become involved in the
body...to become Chandulal.
MVK:
Mun Vacchan Kaaya...mind thoughts, speech and body
SS:
Simandhar Swami
spp:
shuddhatma pratye prarthana...the highest internal prayer.
BM:
Bharelo maal...Old stock from past life...expressing KMMLVK through MVK
or F1.
KMMLVK:
krodh, maan, maaya, lobh, vishay, kapat...anger, pride, delusion and illusion
of the non self being seen as real, greed, sex,deceit
RD:
raag dwesh...attachment abhorrence...pull push..kashayas.
Dis:
Discharge.
HBM:
hu baavo aney mangaldas...the three within one...
NM:
Nhoy Maaroo..Not mine.
DKKB:
Dravya Kshetra Kaal Bhaav...Matter, Location, Time and Intent
AK:
Akarta...Non doership...not the doer
K:
Karta...I am the doer...doership...he did...she did..he does...she does...
KG:
Keval Gnan... Full enlightenment. Absolute State.
MBCA:
mun buddhi chit ahamkaar...
mind, intellect chit and ego.
TNMK:
tanmayyakaar...becoming the shape of the mind and the body...becoming the mind
and the body. "This is happening to me."
Agnani:
The one who has not received Gnan of The Gnani Purush Dadashri.
DBAJJKHO:
Dada Bhagwan na aseem jaijaikar ho. Eternal Glory to The Lord Within….
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