QUESTIONS  from our readers of the web pages of Dadashri

 

Param Vinay thhi moksha chhe
Absolute humility leads to freedom

 

Dear Steve

Your questions are in bold, my responses follow:  

August 12, 2006

It seems you are a Jainist sect. Am I right?

 

Not so. The religion of the Self, Atman or Atma has no man made labels. The Akram Vignan of Dadashri is neither Jainist, nor Vaishanav nor Shaivite. It embraces the core message of all the three worldly religions. The core message of all of them is to come to know the Self, to realize the Self, to gain an experiential answer to the eternal question, 'Who am I?

 

The term Jain was coined some 400 years after the departure of the last tirthankara Lord Mahavir, and those who follow his teachings call themselves Jains. Sri Krsna  whose followers are called Vaishnavs never said that you are all to call your self Vaishnavites, His message like that of Mahavir was to know the Self, and that is the essentail final message of the Gita. Shiva is a mythological God whose real meaning is the Self. Once one becomes Self realized one becomes a Shiv or Shiva. Lord Shiva, as you may have seen images of, is either painted as the Lord with a blue throat or is symbolized by the linga surrounded by the yoni. While Mahavir was around 2500 years ago Lord Krsna was around 5000 years ago. There is no such human being as Lord Shiva. He is simply a symbolic figure.

 

The intellect within man creates divisions and distorts the message of the original person who was enlightened and established a religion for masses to follow.

 

Indeed there is some seeming parallel to the teachings of Dadashri to Jainism but a closer look would reveal that there is world of difference.

 

The Jain teachings are separated for ther monks and nuns and the householders with different codes of practice, some of them very hard to follow. They also point to the path of liberation by coming to know the Self but the way this is done in traditional Jain teachings is very difficult and is a step by step path of progressive renunciation, and is not practically applicable to the masses of people in the modern day world. That is why it remains at the level of scriptures and apology, with much loss of appeal. Indeed Dadashri does revere Lord Mahavira and calls Him the greatest scientist that ever walked the face of this earth.

 

Dadashri has in essence been most effective in evoking and establishing the experiential truth that lies within the heart of Lord Mahavira and Krishna and That is the Self. All else is relative and prone to much conflicts and controversy in modern time of Kaliyug which is defined as that time for human beings where there is no unity between thoughts, speech and actions

 

This Dadashri defines as follows. What Jan thinks would be different from what Steve says and that is different from what Jan ends up doing. This is the cardinal reason why traditional approaches in worldly religion are doomed to failure and fraught with tremendous intellect clashing and conflicts. That is why there are so many churches, so many temples, so many, 'my God, my religion is better than yours,' so many divisions and interpretations of the same holy scripture.

 

All this division ends when one comes to a meaningful experience of the Self. From this centre view, the enlightened world view, one has no conflict with whatever anyone sees or believes. All are correct from their own view points.

 

Dadashri has further elaborated that the spiritual science of the Jain tirthankars was indeed complete and in fact is one step further than where Vedanta, the abstract Hindusim ends. In Vedanta the Self is held as , 'not this, not that.' The Vitarags the fully enlightened Lords called the tirthankaras have had the total experience of what is, namely, 'I am.'

 

Amongst the  24 tirthankaras who have left this world, the teachings and the science of Lord Mahavira has laid bare the Self in its full and total glory, but 99.999999999 percent of the followers have not been able to experience that. They certainly would debate about it the whole night with you through their intellect, but what use is that for you or for him? Yes there are some very rare Jain monks who are close to it, but the ego, 'I know', does not leave and as long as that exists one cannot experience the bliss of the Self.

 

 

That is why a living Gnani becomes so critical. Dadashri's critical importance is because of Akram Vignan where one is made to experience the bliss of the Self first and then from that position and vantage the non-Self  slowly dissolves towards full enlightenment.

 

 

Judging from your books, I see no discrepancies from Jain beliefs.

 

That which is in the scriptures can never be denied. That is the essence. In that sense you are correct. The essence of Jain teaching is non violence and liberation, so is the teaching of Akram Vignan

 

Here is the difference. The average practicing Jain is constantly concerned about binding karma by eating onions and potatoes as they contain infinite potential lives. This is  not so for the liberated follower of Akram Vignan.

 

The average practicing Jain does not believe that in this era moksha liberation is possible. Not so the follower of Akram Vignan who has found the access to Lord Simandhar.

 

The average practicing Jain worships Lord Mahavira who no longer has a human body anywhere in the universe, whereas the liberated follower of Akram Vignan while having the highest reverence for Lord Mahavira is worshipping the current living Tirthanakara whose darshan and vision will liberate him permanently from births and deaths.

 

The average practicing Jain performs pratikramans, inner apology for errors  as taught in a ritualistic manner once  ayear. Not so , the liberated Self realised mahatma of Dadashri who is constantly aware of a fault committed and shoots that fault within as soon as it happens. Such faults are happening for all human beings constantly.

 

The average practicing Jain is still caught up in the confines of some 76 divisions of the sects of Jainism , not any different from a Christian or a Muslim. Not so the liberated mahatma of the Akram Vignani who sees the world as it is and has no fight with it. He is well on his way towards final liberation, having been liberated here and now in this very complex and dangerous world.

 

The average practicing Jain is worshipping a historical tirthankara. The Akram Vignani teaches us and establishes within us the presence of a current living fully enlightened Lord who receives your messages. There are in fact 20 such Lords, however Lord Simandhar has the deepest and most intimate connection with our earth world.

 

The housholder or the monk in Jainism is to follow a strict prescribed code. There is no code of conduct for the mahatma ( the one who has received the Gnan Vidhi)  of the Gnani Purush. His path, following the Akram liberation, is of the Agnas of the Gnani.  He is no longer called a Jain or  Hindu or  Christian. He has arrived at the religion of the Agna of the Gnani Liberator. These in essence constitute an aware applied inner adjustment to that which happens within the relative world. This you will understand more after the Gnan Vidhi.

 

Like Simandhar Swami and the central idea that devotion to him is alfa-omega to attain moksha, because one has to attain reinkarnation at his feet. This is the Jain version of the hindus hare-krishna mission. They insist devotion to Krishna is the means to reincarnate in his world.

Excellent question , but let us delve deeper into it. What meets the eye is only the superficial truth. This universe that you and I see has 2 distinct parts. The relative and the real. The relative is that which you see and feel and experience through the medium of thoughts, speech and act and the real which is beyond all that.

Yes in the realtive realm it may seem that one has to worship Lord Simandhar exclusively for the final liberation.  Lord Simandhar also has two parts to Him. The relative and the real. In the relative he is somewhere up there in the universe. His real Self is our real Self. The difference is that we have not realized the full potential of the Real Self yet and He has. He is therefore Vitarag, without any attachments. Yet He is fully omniscient. Such Omniscience has tremendous energy. Such energy verily liberates everyone around.

Dadashri essentially makes us proceed towards this inner Omniscience and enlightenment, not giving much importance to the external ritual or worship, although on the other web site you may see a lot of importance being given to the latter. That is for the masses. Most human beings do not have the capacity to grab on to, and to hold on to, the inner State and hence the initial need for the external. This, Dadashri has described as the science of the 'Murti-puja' The worship of the idols. It is just a projection externally of the most divine offerings that arise within, to an external Being. Now as far as Lord Simandhar is concerned, Dadashri says that it is equivalent to offering to a Living Being here on this earth because He is living and has a Human Body and is omniscient to the point that He can receive your offerings.

Having said so much, please be aware that Shuddha is directly relating the words of the Gnani Purush. In His enlightened State he can relate and see infinitely more than Shuddha. Indeed some of these highest of spiritual visions have yet to unfold within those who have received the Gnan of Dadashri.

This is the Jain version of the hindus hare-krishna mission. They insist devotion to Krishna is the means to reincarnate in his world.

No such insistence is there for any Lord. Devotion is to the real within all and for the One who has infact attained the full enlightenment. In the Trimandir at Adalaj you will see that there is relative worship going on for Lord Krishna as well as Shiva and Simandhar at the same floor level.

It may interest you to learn that while I am at Adlaj I do not necessarily visit the Trimandir daily although it is just a thousand yards away from the apartment where I stay. There is no rule or law that one has to do this or that in Akram Vignan.

This science of external devotion is very deep and we will have more discussions about it in future, and please feel free to ask any questions that may arise. For someone who is cable of abstract meditative practices, this is a peripheral event. What happens within while one is doing the external is the critical thing and that has premium value.

 

I can not quite figure out what you mean when you say one will be given Self-Realization. In my humble understanding selfrealization is liberation. I think this is the hindu belief too.

 

The Self within all is eternal. 'I am Steve' is the wrong belief. That is the ignorance. That ignorance is in the form of millions of layers of karmik veils so the ' I am the eternal Self' belief never surfaces or gets established.

 

In Akram Vignan the Gnani Purush through his infinite grace, graces Steve, and in the Gnan Vidhi, makes a hole through those layers. The Self has the light of a million suns. But none of that light ever gets out. It is as if such a bright light has been covered by very heavy veils and layers of karma so the result is total darkness. What ever light is available is the light that is reflected through the medium of the ego, and that light is called buddhi or intellect. That light is very limited.

 

Once the true inner light expresses even through a tiny pinhole , your work is done. That light is the eternal light within that transcends intellect and even a millionth fraction of that light has the same energy as the infinite light of a million suns. In the tirthankara all the veils are gone. We are covered with our worldly karma effects that are unfolding.

 

Through your own effort you, Jan will not be able to attain this inner light. You may meditate a thousand lifetimes or go away to some remote place in Himalayas, it will not work. That I have stated on the first page of the Dadashri web site which you have helped translate into Danish. That sentence is the cardinal truth from a scripture of liberation. It is the sentence of a Gnani Purush.

 

That is why one has to attain the Self from the one who has experienced the Self. The Self is beyond all conceptions of intellect.

 

Yes, Self-realization is liberation. Liberation is for the one who feels bondage. The one who is seeking is always bound. The one for whom all seeking stops is free.

 

Yes, it is the final aim of all the religions who do not believe in a creator God above. The difference between Hindu teaching and Jain Teaching in this regard is subtle. Many Hindus regard God as a higher entity. The discriminating Jains and the critical Hindu thinkers do not.

   

Do you have a book explaining all this, if so please send me a link.

 

Yes.

 

I think the time has come for you to read  Dadashri's major work

 

Aptavani

 

http://www.dadashri.org/aptavani.html

 

or pdf version

 

http://www.dadashri.org/aptavani.pdf

 

 

I am a little confused right now.

 

Let the words of the Gnani remove the confusion

 

With salutations--namaskaars to the eternal within Steve.

 

Jai Sat Chit Anand

 

shuddha

 

 

 



tisc_steve<emailwitheld.com> wrote:

 August 14 2006

I had some questions about your relation to Jainism. Sorry if I sounded irritated, but I tend to get a bit off when there is a hidden religious agenda behind what is presented to be pure spirituality.

 

 I had some questions about your relation to Jainism

I have no relationship with Jain-ism. All isms are man made distortions of the rare truth that expresses within very rare human beings very rarely. These are man defined issues and they bring no inner peace. They—the isms, Hinduism, Jainism, etc., are for those who have not yet arrived at the cardinal question

Who am I?

The Gnani Purush Dadashri was a strict opponent of ritualistic worship of any kind and he used rather severe words for those Jains who have gone on to the traditional worship rituals without any inner awareness of the meaning of such worship.

Sorry if I sounded irritated, but I tend to get a bit off when there is a hidden religious agenda behind what is presented to be pure spirituality.

There is no hidden religious agenda behind Akram Vignan. Please understand that not all who come to receive the Gnan Vidhi have the inner spiritual level to proceed on the path of liberation without an external support. Also between 1958 to 1969 Dadashri never mentioned Simandhar Swami. His thrust was mainly on the Self. Also as you know there is much divisiveness between the 3 major religions in India. A Hindu would not enter a Jain temple, A Krishna follower would not enter a Shiva temple etc. To stop such divisiveness , Dadashri is the first Gnani in India to join their major mantras together and then their temples. This he has said is for the common masses, and until they learn to respect the God of his fellow brother, there can be no talk of liberation. 

 The Gnan Vidhi is not for every one. This is only for the one who has a burning desire to have an experiential answer to 2 major questions of man

  1. Who am I?

  2. Who runs this world?

Dadashri is not endorsing any specific religion in his spiritual interaction with one and all. He leads the seeker to know the Self . The Self within is God. These external symbols and idols and scriptures and mythology are for the ones who have not yet arrived at the spiritual level to even ask...who am I?

Most do not care or have not yet arrived there. That is the karma effect.

what is presented to be pure spirituality.

Indeed. Pure spirituality cannot be presented or expressed. One may try, but it exists within. It only begins after one has tasted that purity. That purity does not exist in any relative man made religious doctrines, scripture readings, meditative practices, rituals, pilgrimages, or religious acts. That only begins when one come home to the Self. That has been the thrust of this entire web site.

The worldly religions point to the path of liberation, and they all lead to the final station where the question begins

Who am I?

It is only then that one begins to enter the world of spirituality. Until then it is all a mind game, a play of intellect, an endless spiral of life after life cause and effects.

Sorry if I sounded irritated,

The irritation is healthy, as it indicates to me that you are seeking the Self. You have had enough of the rest.

Also I do not understand your concept of self-realization.

If it is not moksha, then so what (in both meanings of the _expression)?

Moksha or liberation is simple. To be free from all effects. What is an effect? It is that which is experienced through the medium of this body of Steve, through the mind of Steve and through the speech of Steve. You are constantly experiencing effects. Any effect has to have a cause. The causes of these effects are not apparent to us. We only know the effects. The causes were created in the past life. The effects happen in this life. These are in the form of attraction or repulsion, attachment or abhorrence. Now all these are happening to this complex which the world identifies as Steve but You say it is happening to me. That is the problem. That is the wrong belief. That belief can not be fractured except by the grace of a Gnani. If I tell you Steve, you are stupid, you just think you are spiritual, but you are full of shit, you will be upset, would you not? why? This is because you believe that you are Steve. A liberated person on the other hand is an enlightened being. He is aware that this insult was an effect, and are being hurled at that which is the non-Self. The Soul, the Self has absolutely no connection to the non-Self. It is only a matter of belief.

I am Steve is ego

I am pure Soul is being without ego.

Simple as this may sound, being free from the ego, is liberation.

It is the ego that gets liberated. The body complex continues giving its effects. That cannot be changed. That is why there is the second stage of liberation

When all effects are gone. There is no body even left. There is no causal body even created so that one has to come back as another effective body. That is the final moksha. Such a moksha is not possible here on this earth.

You will be enlightened after the Gnan Vidhi with the knowledge that You are not Steve but the pure Soul within. When all of Steve’s life work here on this earth finishes, You will leave that body to proceed further on Your path of liberation towards full enlightenment or total liberation

Total liberation means no return to the universe of cause and effects. Currently your bondage is due to the fact that You are not finished with Steve...who has a life of his own, desires and goals of his own. 

 

How long does the effect of gnanvidhi last? It is my impressions it fades out unless one props it up with devotion to Shimandar Swami, who resides 95.000.000 km away on some utterly inaccessible transcendental planet and with no intention of ever reincarnating on this horible earth of ours. And also it seems you have to prop it up with some mysterious five rules you seem not wanting to divulge .

How long does the effect of gnanvidhi last?

The Gnan Vidhi is the process of coming home. For endless lives one has been away from this home, in fact has never known that it existed within. In this life you are running around as Steve, in previous lives you may have been a Swami so and so, in a prior life a Mary or Helen, in each life creating new causes, for which you have to return to suffer their effects.

Now once you come home and You become aware of who You really are, then that awareness will remain with You, remain as Your State, life after life until your final liberation. That cannot be taken away from You. That is the beauty of Akram Vignan and Gnani Purush Dadashri. That is why now thousands in India are looking for this Gnan. This is not a propaganda or hype. I am not asking for a single dollar from you. I am not being paid to do all this. No one will ask for anything from you in this path of Dadashri. I can assure you of that.

How long does the effect of gnanvidhi last?

Again, if you are looking for any physical or worldly effect of the Gnan Vidhi , I would tell you to go somewhere else. The Gnan Vidhi means the process of Knowledge. Here there will be no fulfillment of expectations. If you expect something to happen, it will not. The Vidhi is beyond the mind and the intellect. 

You are placed where You should be.

I + My= Steve

I minus My= God or the Self.

That is the final definition of God.

You will have that experience.

If you come to it with the correct understanding.

The internal separation is very subtle...

Please read my Q& A at :

http://www.dadashri.org/satsangdada.html

where somewhere in the past I have discussed it with someone like you.

How long does the effect of gnanvidhi last?

Third time the same question above... after the Gnan Vidhi You the enlightened One, will be separated within, from Jan, that the world knows. There will be no external change in Steve. That change is internal. Depending upon your purusharth—highest internal endeavor You will become the Master of Your destiny for the first time in your life. You will be the spiritual Guide of Steve. Steve may follow you or may not, but You will proceed on to the path of final liberation.

There is much satsang to follow thereafter.

Sat sang means Sat= The eternal, sang means company...so thereafter it is all up to You and the intensity with which You adhere to the beauty of what You have attained.

Please note that wherever I use ‘Y’ it means the Self. Small ‘y’means Steve.

It is my impressions it fades out unless one props it up with devotion to Shimandar Swami, who resides 95.000.000 km away on some utterly inaccessible transcendental planet and with no intention of ever reincarnating on this horrible earth of ours. And also it seems you have to prop it up with some mysterious five rules you seem not wanting to divulge.

Careful, dear Steve...

A good friend of mine Dr. Shirish Patel of Los Angeles had taken Dadashri to East Africa in the mid 80’s. He like you, then, had a very sharp intellect and persistently asked Dadashri about Simandhar Swami. He even told him, I accept with total love and devotion everything that you have given and said to us Dada, but this talk about Simandhar Swami is very difficult to swallow and comprehend.

Dadashri replied,’Do you like 99 % of what I have given you?’

Yes, Dada, replied Shirish

‘Then, leave that final 1%pending,’ replied Dadashri, ‘it will open up to you when the time is right.’

Here, shuddha recognises that Steve has not come to appreciate the 99% that Dadashri is talking about because most of it commences with the Gnan Vidhi.

I too wish Steve that Dadashri was in front of you to ask this question directly to him. The world and its spiritual mysteries are much too deep for common individuals like you and I to fathom. That is why we surrender our bothersome intellect in matters where we are seeking the experience of the ultimate truth.

And also it seems you have to prop it up with some mysterious five rules you seem not wanting to divulge.

Your bait is not taken.

There is no mystery in Akram Vignan or anything that Dadashri offers us all. The Five instructions are not rules. They are not for anyone who is curious. They are for the one who is really desirous of liberation from the suffering that he or she has experienced in this world. If you are happy with your life, then this is not for you, Jan. No one is pushing or coaxing you to come or go anywhere or do anything.

The special instructions are for those who become liberated in the above mentioned Gnan Vidhi process. They are designed as special keys to uphold the State of the Self. They have no meaning or relevance for anyone who simply refuses to question or has no clue to...

‘Am I really Steve?’

They are more valuable than 5 million dollars for the One who receives them with pure humility and reverence for the aim of liberation.

They are matchless in the annals of Spiritual Literature in the history of this world.

This is so because each one of them liberates.

mysterious five rules you seem not wanting to divulge.

I cannot give nor divulge the Five Agnas, my friend. I am not the one giving the Gnan.

It is my impressions it fades out unless one props it up with devotion to Shimandar Swami, who resides 95.000.000 km away on some utterly inacsessible transcendental planet and with no intention of ever reincarnating on this horrible earth of ours

Your impression is incorrect. Simandhar Swami and the effect of the Gnan Vidhi are not linked. The Gnan is Your State, after the Gnan Vidhi. The Lord is millions of miles away. You are not, I repeat, not required to worship the Lord, for Your Gnan to be effective and working for You. The Lord is Vitarag. He will not make any demands on you and you will not feel any inner compunction for not worshipping Him.

on this horrible earth of ours

Your words, not mine.

 

If the result of gnanvidhi is not permanent and self supporting, then it is by sheer definition not self realization, - but perhaps one more type of mood making or hypnosis, or what not, which I have had enough of for 30 years. I hope what you offer is the real thing.

Akram Vignan and Dadashri is an open book. Everything on this web site including all literature is free. Anyone is free to ask any questions whatsoever, and he or she has plenty of opportunity to remove all doubts before receiving the Gnan Vidhi. One is free to walk away from it. There is simply no rule. No regrets to be had.

One can sell anything in this world.

One cannot sell the Self.

Perhaps you should tell me, what you expect to attain through this path of ours, Steve.

Perhaps you would be kind enough to elaborate on what is it that you are seeking.

What is your idea of moksha or liberation?

 

As you can gather, my initial enthusiasm has faded somewhat. And I would appreciate if you would recommend some of your books that clarify things for me.

Please read the words of Dadashri directly. You have embarked upon the wrong book first.

Please read the following books

Who Am I?

The Science of Karma

Aptavani

and then any of the others...at

http://www.dadashri.org/books.html

As you can gather, my initial enthusiasm has faded somewhat

Fluctuations in enthusiasm are all in the relative realm. They are like the roller coasters of life. Come to the ocean of eternal bliss that lies within you.

That is the only thing Dadashri does for you...

If you have written, please send the mails again to:

 

Please don't be offended. I just don't want to be fooled again. If I don't get the real thing, I am not interested. I have seriously begun to doubt the value of what you have to offer.

I have not...and that is what counts. 

Kind regards & thank you for your patience.

Steve Worthman

My love for Beings like you is eternal...

I really appreciate your help with the translation.

shuddha

Unedited email from Steve below:

From:

steve worthman

To:

"shuddha anami" <shuddha@dadashri.org>

Subject:

??

Date:

Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:38:19 +0200

Hi

 

I do not receive mails from you. Do you receive mine?

 

Have you received my translation?

 

I had some questions about your relation to Jainism. Sorry if I sounded irritated, but I tend to get a bit off when there is a hidden religous agenda behind what is presented to be pure spirituality.

 

Also I do not understand your concept of self-realization.

If it is not moksha, then so what (in both meanings of the _expression)?

 

How long does the effect of gnanvidhi last? It is my impressions it fades out unless one props it up with devotion to Shimandar Swami, who resides 95.000.000 km away on some utterly inaccessible transcendental planet and with no intention of ever reincarnating on this horrible earth of ours. And also it seems you have to prop it up with some mysterious five rules you seem not wanting to divulge.

 

If the result of gnanvidhi is not permanent and self-supporting, then it is by sheer definition not self realization, - but perhaps one more type of mood making or hypnosis, or what not, which I have had enough of for 30 years. I hope what you offer is the real thing.

 

As you can gather, my initial enthusiasm has faded somewhat. And I would appreciate if you would recommend some of your books that clarify things for me.

 

If you have written, please send the mails again to...

I am having problems with my ISP. I hope my ADSL will be back up soon.

 

Please don't be offended. I just don't want to be fooled again. If I don't get the real thing, I am not interested. I have seriously begun to doubt the value of what you have to offer.

 

Kind regards & thank you for your patience.

Steve Worthman

 

 

Response to Steve Worthman's email

08 20 2006

To:

"shuddha anami" <shuddha@dadashri.org>

Subject:

Date:

Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:23:42 +0200

Dear Shuddha

 

I am planning to go for gnanvidhi oct. 8th in Mumbai. Also the satsangs 6th and 7th.

 

Could you please send me information on contact person, please.

 

I wish you had not recommended I read those books. I told you I feel strong shakti from his picture and a loving pull to make contact. That is far superior to any books. And those books are certainly not in sympathy with my background with all it's sadhana, study and disappointment. They certainly press the wrong buttons in me.

 

So despite the books I can not resist this strong loving-kindness pull I feel when looking at this picture of Dadashri. It is very strange.

 

The other picture, your friend recommended, does not have the same effect. No idea why. The attached picture is special to me.

 

Kind regards

Steve Worthman

Response:

Dear Steve:

I wish you had not recommended I read those books. I told you I feel strong shakti from his picture and a loving pull to make contact. That is far superior to any books. And those books are certainly not in sympathy with my background with all it's sadhana, study and disappointment. They certainly press the wrong buttons in me.

 I wish you had not recommended I read those books.

That is now history. This has been a learning lesson for me. Dadashri has said that to the One who is drawn, pulled by the Gnani there is nothing further to be done, no books to be read, no intellect to be used. That is your state. That is why my first response to yours and Poul’s contact was: Dada in Denmark.

There is a term called niddidhyasan. It simply means to connect with by inner visual contemplation. In spiritual terminology this has multiple inner layers. As an artist you will be able to appreciate it further as you proceed in Akram Vignan after the grace of the Gnani.

And those books are certainly not in sympathy with my background with all it's sadhana, study and disappointment. They certainly press the wrong buttons in me.

Dadashri has said that anything which makes the intellect arise, will pull you away from the Self. You are arriving at the door of Akram Vignan with a background of extensive sadhana and experiences.

They certainly press the wrong buttons in me.

he only button that needs to be pushed now is the button that takes you to the Self after you enter the lift-elevator of The Akram Vignan and the arrangements are already under way.

So despite the books I can not resist this strong loving-kindness pull I feel when looking at this picture of Dadashri. It is very strange.

Deep life after life mysteries come to an end when one understands what you and Mike have described above. That is the direct connection. It is the first stroke of the master painter. Wait until the painting is finished. On second thought...a painting is never finished is it? Those who come to appreciate it become part of the picture.

Kind regards

shuddha

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Email of :

From:

Steve

To:

"shuddha anami" <shuddha@dadashri.org>

Subject:

Going to New York instead

Date:

Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:15:59 +0200

Hi Shuddha

 

I managed to change my plans and go with Mike to New York  in September. I could not wait.

 

So I won't go to Mumbai after all. Will you pass this on to whom it may concern.

 

You never answered my questions. At least I received no mail...

 

On your experience page I found the following. Is that normal? I mean are these two results (dissociation from ego, and bliss) common experiences? And do they last?

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It was the first time in my life I wasn't no longer sure that "that" called "Juan" which was walking to the hotel was me. This time it was not at all a play of intellectual concepts borrowed from somebody else, it was a real experience happening within me.

I couldn't do nothing .I didn't want to read , nor to have a walk around London, nothing at all but to continue feeling that bliss which was like pouring from within. A bliss that I never felt before with many years of daily meditation. It was all a pure state of bliss.

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I am amazed at the love-shakti pulling me to dadabhagavan. It is very, very strong. I have his photo in front of me at work, and how I can be so in love with a "dead" man I have never met is amazing. It is of course his state I long for.

Kind regards

Steve

Dear Steve:

I managed to change my plans and go with Mike to New York  in September. I could not wait.

Good. I have informed, the host of the city, and he has informed me that he is looking forward to seeing you and Mike. 

I could not wait.

The Gnani is your true and real Self. You have been away from Him for infinite lives. Now He is calling Jan from within. This is beyond words. The vision which was externalized is now taking a 180 degree turn .

So instead of seeking outside, now Jan is looking within and has arrived at the door which will open to the Lord within, your Supreme Self.

You never answered my questions. At least I received no mail...

Please forgive me. The evidences in life keep shuddha busy.

On your experience page I found the following. Is that normal? I mean are these two results (dissociation from ego, and bliss) common experiences? And do they last?

All experiences that happen within new initiates or mahatmas of Dadashri are different. They are indeed very real to the one who gets awakened. These experiences are at multiple levels. They are all happening at a very subtle levels and subtle levels ( inner experience) within, however their expression in words are different and various.

The experiences vary because of variations in the spiritual level of the receiver. Dadashri says that there are 1400000 layers of coverings over the Self in the ignorant human being. Out of infinite life after life experiences, these layers get progressively removed. In the human life where about 50000 layers are left one comes to the question of who am I?

Then out of these 50000 only when 5000-10000 remain, then one begins to understand the meaning and purpose of human birth and is then ready to receive the knowledge of liberation from a Gnani Purush.

In short , the experiences cannot be compared. However, there is an immediate result of most people after Gnan Vidhi. These are:

They become free from worries and fear.

They become relatively insulated and free from the effects of suffering in life.

They begin to experience the bliss of the Self. This part is very difficult to place in words or express.

They begin to see their own mistakes as opposed to blaming others.

It was the first time in my life I wasn't no longer sure that "that" called "Juan" which was walking to the hotel was me. This time it was not at all a play of intellectual concepts borrowed from somebody else, it was a real experience happening within me.

I couldn't do nothing .I didn't want to read , nor to have a walk around London, nothing at all but to continue feeling that bliss which was like pouring from within. A bliss that I never felt before with many years of daily meditation. It was all a pure state of bliss.

As Shuddha looks back there are some parallels with Juan Carlos and Steve. Juan also asked many questions on the web. He also had been a seeker who was disillusioned by the traditional gurus. He had inner purity of purpose.

Juan’s experiences are very real. They have progressed to the point where he created an entire web site in Spanish and translated some books of Dadashri, hosted a large group in Spain and became instrumental in allowing many to attain such bliss. He would sit by Pujya Niruben’s side and translate in Spanish her liberating words for all his group.

Having said this, please note that the critical experience is the inner one which leads one towards final liberation. All the other experiences are relative and subject to change. The inner experience that happens will remain with you for ever. The other one, the outer one is subject to external forces, beyond your control

The critical experience happens within and during the Gnan Vidhi. That is the beginning of the path of liberation. That experience can never be undone. It remains with the One who becomes awakened in The Vidhi.

Then after the Gnan Vidhi is over, the amazing drama begins. The one whom the world sees and recognizes as Steve is no longer the real Steve. The world does not know it. It is not important for the world to know. The world does not care.

The experiences begin at two levels. One for the one who is liberated within. Secondly, the experiences of the one whom the world calls Stev. Both then are on auto pilot. Both become free.

I mean are these two results (dissociation from ego, and bliss) common experiences?

Yes. That is why no one who has come to Dadashri with understanding ever leaves Him. There is no other place to go to.

Bliss is defined as that which is experienced in the absence of the ego.

‘I am Steve,’ has to leave.

I am amazed at the love-shakti pulling me to dadabhagavan. It is very, very strong. I have his photo in front of me at work, and how I can be so in love with a "dead" man I have never met is amazing. It is of course his state I long for.

I know and deeply understand what you are saying. I too have never met him in flesh and blood, and yet he lives and grows within my heart and flows to all parts of my Being. He has given me the experience of love which I never had experienced before, ever, not in this life and intuitively , in no previous lives. Every tear that expresses from the gratitude for this bliss is cleansing shuddha as I remain the eternal blissful Self, again at His feet.

It is of course his state I long for.

He will give you That in the Gnan Vidhi. After that Your real work in life will commence. Your sincerity towards His Agnas will make you like Him....

With love

shuddha

 


 
With deep gratitude for these words and those who help clarify the work of The Gnani Purush.

 

Steve has received the Gnan of Dadashri the Akram Vignani by meeting Pujya Deepakbhai, the current AtmaGnani.

 

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