LOVE
PREM
The Gnani Purush Dadashri
Defines All Aspects Of Love With Unprecedented Clarity
Questioner: What is love (prem) in reality?
I want to understand it in detail.
Dadashri: When people talk about love
in this world, they say it without understanding what it is. Should there not
be a definition for love? What is the
definition for love?
Questioner: Some call it attachment; some
call it affection. There are many kinds
of love.
Dadashri: No. There has to be a
definition of real love.
Questioner: Can we call it real love
when there is no expectation in it?
Dadashri: Love without expectation
does not exist in worldly life Real love can never be found in this worldly
life. Real love is divine. Real love begins the moment one begins to understand
the Self.
Questioner: What is this worldly love
thing?
Dadashri: The word love belongs to the
state beyond the world. It has slipped into worldly interactions and the daily
lives. In reality people do not understand love at all.
Love Does Not See Faults
Dadashri: Do you have love within you?
Do you have love for your children?
Questioner: Yes, I do.
Dadashri: So do you ever hit them or
scold them?
Questioner: Surely sometimes we have to
scold them.
Dadashri: Love does not see faults. You see faults in your children, so it is not
love. Do you not think so? I have love
towards everyone. So far I have not seen a single fault in anyone. So now tell me who do you have love for? You
tell me that you have a lot of love within you, so where is this love?
Real Love Has No Motive
Questioner: So only the love for God can
be called love?
Dadashri: No. What you have for God is
not love. Love is a different thing. There
should be no motive behind love. If you
have love for God, then why do you not have love for others? You have love for
others because you have a need for them.
You have love for your mother, because you need her. Love should be without any motive. I have
love towards you as well as all these people, but I do not have any motive
behind it.
The world is
very selfish. As long as there is the
ego of ‘I am’, there is selfishness and wherever there is selfishness, there
can never be love and wherever there is love, selfishness cannot exist there.
Pure love, real love exists where there is no
selfishness; when there are no feelings of ‘yours-mine’. Wherever there is a
feeling of’ ‘yours-mine’, there is definitely selfishness as well as ignorance
of the Self. It is because of this ignorance that people have feelings of ‘this
is mine and this is yours’. When one
acquires Gnan (knowledge of the Self), one ceases to have feelings of ‘mine and
yours’. However, this is difficult for
one to understand.
What people call
love in this world, is the language of illusion and deception. The warmth of the real love is very
different. Love is something very divine.
Kabir had
said:
‘ The world has
died studying scriptures,
not a single learned person has arisen:
The One who understands the two and a half
lettered word
Of prem-love, has learnt something indeed.’
Saint Kabir has said that
it enough for one to just understand the word love; one is considered a learned
man if he understands this word. People
have died studying volumes and volumes of books in an attempt to understand
this word and as yet no one has understood it.
It is madness to look for its meaning in books.
People would
never separate from one another if they had real love. The love they have is
selfish and with expectations and motive.
How can one call it love?
Questioner: Is it infatuation?
Dadashri: It is infatuation. Love is
union with the non-attached, the Self. Only the Self is love. Only the
knowledge of the self gives rise to love.
Dadashri: What is the definition of
love?
Questioner: I do not know, Dada. Please
explain it to me.
Dadashri: I too was looking for the
definition of love when I was young! I
wondered about the nature of love.
People keep talking about love all the time. What could it be? So then I
read all kinds of books and scriptures but did not find the definition of love
anywhere. I was astonished that no
scripture have defined love. It wasn’t
until I read a book of Kabir that I was satisfied. He is the one who defined love. His definition helped me. It says:
‘That which increases one
moment and decreases the next,
is not love:
That which resides in the
heart and remains the same, is real love.’
I found this to be a
beautiful definition. ‘Bravo! Kabir
Sahib, I must say!’ This is the realst
love of all. That which never increases
or decreases, is love.
Questioner: So what is called real love?
Dadashri: Real love never increases or decreases. The Gnani’s love is such a
love; it does not increase or decrease. I have that kind of love for the whole
world. That love is the Absolute Self.
Questioner: Still there must be love
somewhere in this world?
Dadashri: There is no love
anywhere. There is no such thing as
love in this world. It is all
infatuations and attractions. You will realize this right away when someone you
love says something negative about you.
If a man has
come home after a long time abroad one enjoys being with him and spend time
with him. But after a few days he tell you, ‘ you are an idiot and without
sense’, that would be the end of his love.
Whereas, if you were to say the same things to a Gnani Purush, he will
remain unaffected. His love for you would remain the same.
Real love is
that which does not have any abhorrence behind it. How can it be called love
when there is abhorrence associated with it? Love should be unwavering, unchanging.
Absolute Self Is Love
Questioner: So real love does not
increase or decrease.
Dadashri: Real love does not increase
or decrease. Love between two people
will decrease if one becomes angry with the other and they both start to
quarrel. Their love will increase once
again, when one gives flowers to the other.
Questioner: In the worldly affairs it is
bound to increase and decrease. That is just the way it is.
Dadashri: People’s love increases and decreases throughout the day! It fluctuates
with their children, their relatives and even for themselves. When they look at
themselves in the mirror, they think they look good one moment and the next
time they look, they are displeased. All this happens because one does not
realize one’s own responsibility. How
tremendous that responsibility is!
Questioner: That is why people are told,
‘ love one another, love one another.’
Dadashri: But it is not even love to begin with.
These talks are from the worldly perspective. Who can call this love?
The love that increases and decreases is nothing but infatuation and
attraction. The world has never seen real love. My love is real love, which is why it affects people. People
benefit from it; otherwise it would be of no use to anyone! Whenever there is a presence of the Lord or
a Gnani Purush in this world, people witness real love. That love will not
increase or decrease. It is love
without attachment. It is the love of the Gnani. The Gnani’s love is parmatma (absolute Self). Real love is
parmatma, nothing else is parmatma.
Questioner: So can you explain the
different kinds of love?
Dadashri: There are only two kinds of love: That increases and decreases, is
called attraction and infatuation and the other, which remains constant is love
without attachment, attraction or infatuation. This type of love is the love
that the Gnani has.
The Gnani’s love is pure
love. You will not see that kind of
love anywhere in this world. The love
you see in the world is selfish love. The love between a husband and wife,
parents and children and in other relationships is all selfish love. One
realizes this when that love fractures, breaks and ends. As long as there is
sweetness in it, everything is fine, but one will realize what kind of love it
is when it becomes bitter.
For his entire
life, a son lives with complete reverence for his father, but if in anger he
tells his father, ‘you do not have any sense’, followed by a major argument
their relationship is ruined for the rest of their lives. The father will disown the son. Now if it were real love, the relationship
would remain unaffected. Selfish love is infatuation and attraction all
components of attachment. It is a love like that between a businessman and his
customer, transactions of give and take. People are drawn to real love. They
are attracted to all the words that flow from real love. There is no action and
reaction in real love. The flow of love is constant. Their love remains constant; there is no increase or decrease, no
give and take. Infatuation and attraction is by nature conditional and involves
give and take.
My love is
constant for everyone at all times. It
remains unaffected whether someone insults me or gives me a lot of attention
and respect. What people say to me or
do for me has no bearing on my love. That is called love. My love for you today will be the same even
when we meet after twenty years.
Questioner: In this world a mother’s
love is considered very high.
Dadashri: Then what comes after that?
Questioner: There is no other. All others types of love have motives and
selfishness.
Dadashri: Is that so? Even the love between brothers and sisters is selfish. You
may not have tried to experiment with them?
Questioner: I have experienced them all.
Dadashri: When people shed tears, it is not because their love is real. They cry
out of selfish motives. The selfishness gives rise to attachment and
attraction. Their love arises out of motives and self-interest. In your home
you should aim for unchanging love for everyone. All the same you need to say,
‘ I am lost without you, I miss you etc.’. You have to say it to maintain your
relationships. But maintain your love such that it does not increase or
decrease.
If people ask
me, is the love of a woman real love? I
would explain to them that the love that increases or decreases is not real
love. It is not called love when it increases the day she is given a diamond
and decreases when she does not get what she wants.
Questioner: What is real love like when
it does not fluctuate?
Dadashri: It does not increase or
decrease. It remains the same, whenever
you look at it. Elsewhere in the world
as long as you do favors for people, their love will stay with you and it will
fall apart when you stop. How can you call that love?
So what is the
definition of real love? Real love is
that which remains the same whether one receives flowers or stones of insults.
This is the definition of love.
Everything else is false attachment and attraction. This is the love of
the Lord. When that kind of love arises, there is no need for anything
else. It is only this love that is of
any value.
Questioner: Can a man live without love?
Dadashri: One continues to live when
the one whom he has loved divorces him, does he not?
Questioner: One can live if it is real love. If it is false love, love of
infatuation and attraction, then he will not be able to live.
Dadashri: You said it right. Forget about
the kind of love, which leads to divorces.
How can you call it love? Our love should be such that it never goes
away, no matter what happens. One can
live with such real love.
Questioner: If it is love of infatuation
and attraction, then one cannot live.
Dadashri: The false love of attachment
and attraction due to illusion is useless. Do not become trapped by it. Love
has to be right, real. It is true that man cannot live without love, but that
love has to be real.
So do you
understand the definition of love? Look
for that kind of love. Do not look for
love that ends in a divorce in future.
Where is the stability in such love?
Questioner: In worldly love which is due to attachment there is expectation of
some kind of reward for the sacrifice one makes, whereas in real love there are
no expectations of any reward. If one surrenders with unconditional love, does
one become divine?
Dadashri: If any man in this world
begins on the path of real love, he would become God. Real love is unadulterated and pure. Real love does not have motives of sex, greed or pride. Such
unadulterated love turns man into God.
The methods are all easy, but to become that is difficult.
Questioner: Likewise if one surrenders to any worldly
love and passion what ever it
may be, with total devotion and dedication, will it result in attaining the
divine state? Will he attain his goal of the absolute in this manner?
Dadashri: If he surrenders to illusion
and worldly objects, he will get more of the same, more world and more
illusions. That is what has happened to all in the world.
Questioner: These days, boys and girls
fall in love because of infatuation and attraction. They fail because of this
illusionary love?
Dadashri: Yes, it is only because of illusion
and infatuation. One sees a beautiful face, and one falls in love. But this is not love. Now if there were a boil on that face, one
would not even go near her. If the boil were to
remain on her face for twelve months or so, he would not want to see her face
and his illusion of love disappears altogether. Real love on the other hand,
would not disappear even if there were numerous boils. So look for this kind of love, otherwise do
not get married at all or else you will be trapped.
A man appreciates
his wife when she talks sweetly to him but when she pouts he says he does not
like to look at her face. You foolish man, ‘It is precisely because you were
attracted to the sweet face that now you are repulsed by the bitter look on her
face! This is the same face that you had loved before!’
Questioner: But that is infatuation and
attraction, is it not?
Dadashri: All of it is infatuation and
attraction. What was ‘liked is now
repulsive, what was loved is now not loved.’ Thus they go on and on. This is
how they quarrel. Of what use is this
kind of love?
If a person has
a lot of attachment due to illusion, that attachment will go away if that
person experiences a lot of suffering.
It was only false attachment, illusion to begin with, and this is the
cause of suffering.
Questioner: What is the difference
between love of illusion and real love?
Dadashri: The moth hovers around the
flame and sacrifices its life in it.
That is called love of illusion, whereas real love will last. There is no illusion in real love.
Life of false
attachment is useless. It is equivalent to being like a blind man. It is like a blind man who wanders around
like the moth and gets consumed in the process. Love on the other hand is constant and it gives lifelong
happiness. It does not seek instant gratification.
Therefore, all
these are false attachments of illusionary love. Everything is an illusion.
Love of illusion is simply open strokes of deceit.
Questioner: But how can an ordinary
individual know the difference between real love and false love? How does the other person know whether one’s
love is real or false?
Dadashri: You will find out when you
test it. It is best to test it before
committing yourself. Just as we tap a
rupee coin to test its authenticity, find an excuse to scold the other person
and see the reaction. Nowadays there is
rampant dangerous selfishness. People
will feign love for selfish motives.
You should test it to see whether it is real love or not.
Questioner: Even when you scold…what is that real love like?
Dadashri: The one with such love will remain calm when
scolded and take the utmost care not to hurt the offender. In the presence of
such love even the wicked person would melt and surrender.
Questioner: What kind of love is it when
two lovers commit suicide because there is no acceptance from the respective
families?
Dadashri: Aimless, useless love! How can you call that love? They become emotional and lie across the
railroad tracks to commit suicide! Then
they will say to each other, ‘In our next life we will be together alone.’ No one should have such expectations. It is
each individual’s karma that determines where he or she will go. They will
never be together.
Questioner: Would they not be together
even though that was their wish?
Dadashri: Nothing happens by wishing.
The next life is the result of karma of this life. These are all emotional reactions.
Did you have an
affair of infatuation when you were young?
It is when all the evidences and circumstances come together, that one
gets involved in this kind of a problem.
Questioner: What is an affair of
infatuation?
Dadashri: Yes, I will tell you. A man
had seen his son who was at college, going around with a girl. He asked his son
why he was going around in a state of infatuation. People nowadays do not call
it so but in the old days they used to call it a lafroo, a temporary state of
infatuation and attraction. The father
referred to it as lafroo because he knew that his son was being foolish in
thinking that he was in love and was going to suffer tremendously from that
relationship. This lafroo was clinging to him and it would hurt him. It is not
easy to sustain love. Everyone knows
how to have love affairs, but they do not how to sustain love.
The son became
very upset when he heard his father refer to his girlfriend as a lafroo. He told his father that he was ruining his
reputation by saying such things and asked him not to speak in this manner in
public. The father agreed. The son
dated this girl for two years and then one day he saw her with another boy at
the movies. It was then that he
realized that his father was right all along. His relationship with the girl
was a lafroo.
When all the
evidences and circumstances come together, one will become stuck with a lafroo
and it will be very difficult to get rid of.
When she starts seeing someone else, he will not be able to sleep. Does this not happen? From the moment the
son realized what his father had said and recognized that it was truly a
lafroo, a false love, it began to release him from its grip. As long as he saw her as his girlfriend and
not a lafroo, he was bound to her.
Questioner: So if one wants to sum up
the differences between false love and real love, how can one do that?
Dadashri: Why are you talking about
love when there is no love? There is no
love at all. This is all attachment, attraction and illusion. People become blind
with illusion and lose sense of reasoning.
They have no awareness in this matter.
No matter how many terms or
conditions of an agreement or promises are broken by the other, the one with
real love continues to remain sincere. Such sincerity remains in acts and also
in the eyes of the one with real love.
That is when you will know that love is. So look for this kind of love.
What you see in the world is not real love, but a market place of false
love, ordinary love. It is infatuation and attraction and it will bring
destruction. Still one does not have a choice, but to go through its trapping.
Do not despair; I am here to show you real love. One has no choice but fall
into infatuation and attraction.
Attaining The Love Of The Lord
Questioner: So what must one do to
acquire the eternal, pure, powerful love of the Lord, real love?
Dadashri: Do you want to acquire God’s
love?
Questioner: Yes, I do. Is that not the
ultimate goal of every man? My question
here is how can one acquire God’s love?
Dadashri: Everyone here wants to love,
and they would do so if they found sweetness in it!! Show me where people have
found such sweetness in God!
Questioner: Even during his final
breath, one is not able to call out to God.
Dadashri: How can one take God’s
name? One can only take the name of
that which one has a desire for. One is preoccupied with his desires. His
desire is not for God and that is why he is not preoccupied with God. One only
remembers God when one is afraid.
Questioner: The desire for God is there,
but certain karmic veils of darkness prevent him from taking God’s name.
Dadashri: But how can one take God’s
name without having the love for God?
Should not one have love for God?
And what is the benefit in having intense love for God? One would love to eat a mango if it was
sweet but what if it was bitter or sour? Where have you found such sweetness in
God, that you feel love for Him?
God is in every
living being, as the Self, the force behind all life, the Soul (Chetan). The
world is not aware of the Self, and what it believes to be the Self, is really
non-Self. They believe the living body
to be the Self, but it is in fact the non-Self. They have absolutely no
awareness of the Self. The pure Self is
the life force and is the pure soul (shuddhatma), and that is God. It is only when we gain some benefit from
this God, that we will have love for this God.
And as we feel love for Him, we will remember Him and we will utter His
name. But first we have to find such a
God, only then will we remember
Him. Do you remember ‘Dada’ (The Lord
manifest within the Gnani Purush)?
Questioner: Yes.
Dadashri: You think of him because He
loves you. He loves you, which is why He remains constantly in your mind. How
did this love happen? Because ‘Dada’ has given you something, a bliss that has
that has blossomed this love. Once this love starts to grow, you will never
forget it! You will not have to make an
effort to remember Him.
So when do we think
of God? It is when He graces us, and
gives us eternal bliss, gives us something for which we are eternally grateful.
One gentleman told me that he does not like being away from his wife at all. I asked him what would happen to him if his
wife were no longer around. He said he
would die because she made him happy. What if she were to abuse him instead of
making him happy? He would still think
of her. Therefore it is because of both the raag (attachment) and dwesh (abhorrence) that people are remembered.
One has to
understand these things! Right now do
you wonder about love in this world?
Questioner: Nowadays, we think that the
affection we have for our children is love.
Dadashri: Is that so? Even a sparrow
has love for her young ones. When she returns to her nest with food, the little
hatchlings get excited. The sparrow
will place one seed at a time in the mouth of each of her young ones. I am amazed as to how she manages to store
the seeds in her beak and yet dispense only one seed at a time in the mouths of
her hatchlings.
Questioner: But how can they have infatuation and attraction when they do not have
any intellect?
Dadashri: Yes. That is what I am
telling you. This is just something to illustrate the point. Actually even that is not considered
love. Love should be with understanding
but even then it is not considered love.
This is just an analogy given to understand the difference between the
two. Have you not heard people say that
the cow has so much affection towards her calf and she has no expectations in
return?
False Love: Infatuation And
Attraction Is Associated With Expectations
Infatuation and
attraction is found where there is expectation for something in return. How many people must there be in India who
have no expectations?
Even when a
person grows a mango tree he does it with the expectation that he and his
family will enjoy its fruit. He even
expects his grandchildren to benefit from it.
He does not nurture the tree for the sake of nurturing without expecting
any fruits in return. He nurtures it for its fruit. That is why people raise
children, for their own benefit; so that their children will take care of them
later on. Do you think they raise their children so the children would abuse
them when they are old?
Questioner: They
raise them so they will take care of them.
Dadashri: But nowadays they abuse
them. One gentleman told me, ‘My son does not take care of me’. I replied, ‘Then what do you expect, you
yourself are not deserving of their care.’
Questioner: It has been written in the scriptures that
parents have equal love for all their children, is it true?
Dadashri: No. Parents are not God that they can have equal
love for each of their children. Only God has equal love for everyone. Parents
are just parents, they are not God.
They will always be partial. I
have equal love for everyone.
The love that
people talk about is worldly love.
People keep singing about love, but in vain. Even with a woman, how can
one have real love? These are all
self-serving relationships. And these
mothers’ love is nothing but the attachment of illusion, because the baby is
born from her body. Even the cows have
attachment for their offspring, but this attachment lasts only for six
months. A mother on the other hand will
be attached even when her child is sixty years old.
Questioner: But isn’t the mother’s love
for her child an unselfish love?
Dadashri: A mother’s love for her
child is not unselfish. This will be
evident when the child grows up and one day insults her! During a heated argument, he may refer to
her as his ‘father’s wife’. When the son utters such words, the mother’s
attachment instantly disappears and she will tell him that she does not want to
see his face ever again. Now is not ‘his father’s wife the same as ‘his
mother’? But still she will become
indignant because he addressed her in this manner. Even she wants reciprocation
of her attachment and worldly love. It is all attachment.
So even that
love is not unselfish. It is the
infatuation and attraction of illusion. Where there is attachment and
infatuation and attraction, there is always selfishness.
Questioner: What you are saying is
true. As the child grows, the
infatuation and attraction increases.
But what about when the baby is only six months old?
Dadashri: Even at that time there is
infatuation and attraction. The whole
day long there is infatuation and attraction. The world is bound through
infatuation and attraction. There can
never be love anywhere in this world.
Questioner: I can understand it when you
say that about the father, but I still have difficulty accepting it about the
mother.
Dadashri: Fathers are selfish whereas
mothers are not selfish when it comes to their children. This is the difference. What does a mother have? All she has is the attachment of infatuation
and attraction. They forget everything else and in such situations they can
never be without any expectations for even a second. No body can be without
expectations. Except for the Gnani, no
one can be without any expectations.
All these people that claim to be unselfish and without expectations are
actually taking advantage of the world.
Questioner: So what kind of love do
parents have?
Dadashri: If one day you were to
insult your parents, they would retaliate. This worldly love is temporary. It
may disappear after a few years. Love
should be real. Love should not increase
or decrease.
Despite this,
when a father gets angry with his son, there is no intent to hurt in is
anger.
Questioner: Is that real love then?
Dadashri: That can never be real
love. If it were love, then there would
be no anger. Nevertheless, there is no
intention to hurt behind that anger, and so it cannot be called anger. Anger is
defined as that which has intention to hurt.
Of All Worldly Loves, The Love Of The Mother Is The Highest
Real love should
not break under any circumstances. So
it can only be called love if it never breaks.
That is the test of love. However whatever love there is that is worthy,
it is the mother’s love.
Questioner: You said that mothers have love and not fathers. So would the father not feel bad?
Dadashri: Even then, there is evidence
of a mother’s love. The mother feels happy when she sees her child. What is the reason behind that? It is because for nine months the child had
made the mother’s body a dwelling place. The mother feels that she gave birth
to the child and the child feels that he was born out of his mother. This is
how intense the oneness between the two becomes. Whatever the mother ate,
became blood for the child. So this is
a kind of love of oneness. Really speaking it is not love. Relatively speaking
it is love. So if love is to be found anywhere, it is with the mother. With her you can see some signs of love.
However it is a relative love subject to increase and decrease, and has its
limitations. It may fracture at any time.
These are all
relative relationships, not real. If
the father were to die, his son would follow him if it was real love. That is
called love but would any son do that?
Questioner: Nobody has done that.
Dadashri: Has there ever been an
exception? Has there not been such a
case where the son is so overcome by grief over his father’s death that he is
ready to die along with his father? Has such an event happened in Mumbai?
Questioner: No.
Dadashri: So what does he do at the
crematorium?
Questioner: He cremates his father.
Dadashri: Is that so? Then he must not eat anything after
returning home from the cremation, right? He does eat, doesn’t he? So this is all superfluous. Everyone knows that this is a relative
relationship. The one who is gone is
gone. After the funeral they come home and have a nice meal.
Questioner: So when someone dies and we
weep, is it due to our attachment that we cry or is it because we have pure
love for him or her?
Dadashri: There is no pure love in
this world. This crying is all due to
attachment. This world is never without selfish interests, and where there is
self-interest, there is attachment. Even a mother has self-interest. People
think that their love for their mother is pure, but every mother has
self-interest. However her love has been revered because the self-interest is
limited. It is still a consequence of attachment of illusion.
Questioner: That is okay but a mother’s
love can still be unselfish, right?
Dadashri: It is unselfish up to a major
extent and that is why a mother’s love is called love.
Questioner: But yet you are saying that
it is attachment of illusion?
Dadashri: When people ask me whether
there is such a thing as love in this world, I tell them that a mother’s love
is the closest to love in this world.
Elsewhere there is no substance to anything. Of all the love there is, a
mother’s love for her child is worthy of praise, because there is sacrifice in
that love.
Questioner: If that is a fact about the
mother, then what role does the father have in this love?
Dadashri: A father’s love is selfish love. He believes that the son will
perpetuate the family name. Only the
mother has some element of spontaneous love, natural love. But even she has
expectations and assumes that when the son grows up, he will take care of her
and it would be enough for her. This is
expectation a type of greed. Real love does not have greed or expectations of
any kind. Right now you can see the love that I have, but only if you
understand it. I do not need anything
in this world. Even if you were to give me all the gold in the world I would
not have any use for it. I do not have thoughts about women. I am separate form this body. This body is my first neighbor.
A mother is the
embodiment of the Goddess of real love, the Divine Mother. The Divine Mother’s
love is real, and encompasses the highest qualities in the relative world. A
living Lord also has such love. Look for such a love from the one people call a
God. It is with Him that you would experience real love even if you do
something wrong. And such a love would remain the same even if you were to
offer garlands of flowers. It is love
that will not increase or decrease. This is called real love and that real love
is the Divine Lord Himself.
This world has
not seen love at all. After Lord
Mahavir’s departure, this world has seen nothing but infatuation and
attraction. It is all infatuation and attraction. In the worldly life what people refer to, as love is really infatuation
and attraction. It is considered love
as long as it remains constant. When it
deviates from normality, increases or decreases, that love is considered
infatuation and attraction. A mother’s love can be called love but when it
leaves normality, it is called infatuation and attraction. Otherwise love is the divine Self.
The Love Between Guru And Disciple
All doors open
with pure love. What can one not attain
with the love of a Guru? The love between a real guru and the disciple is such that
the disciple absorbs everything the guru says.
Such is the love between them.
But nowadays they both quarrel instead.
Once a guru and
his disciple were hitting each other and their fight upstairs could be heard
below. Someone with me, said, let us go up.’ I told him that it was wrong to
watch. Things like these happen all the time.
This is just the way the world is. Do daughters-in-law and
mothers-in-law not fight? This is similar! The enmity that was bound in the
past life is now surfacing and dissipating. The vengeance was bound in their
past lives. If this world were full of
love one would not to leave the side of his guru. Even if he had a chance of
earning a million Rupees, he would forgo it.
But here, even when there is nothing for him to earn outside, he is
unemployed, has plenty of time, he still leaves! Why does he go away? It is
because he is basically unhappy at home, and he has not found peace. During
free time of unemployment he should be sitting with a guru.
‘I am
Chandubhai’, is a wrong belief. These
are all wrong beliefs. Husbands become domineering because they consider
themselves as husbands, owner of the wife. The wife starts believing that she
is being owned. This creates problems. The wives when dominated try to dominate
in return and the cycle continues. They should instead think of themselves as
companions of their wives. Would there
be any problems then?
Questioner: Dada you used a very modern
term.
Dadashri: What else? There will be fewer
problems this way. The tussle will end. If they lived as companions they would
help each other out. Now if one lives with a companion in a single room home,
one person would make tea and the other will finish some other task and in this
manner the companionship lasts.
Questioner: The word companion is also associated with infatuation and attraction, is
it not?
Dadashri: There is infatuation and
attraction even in that, but that infatuation and attraction is not like that
when the words husband and wife are used. These terms, husband and wife are
filled with heavy infatuation and attraction, but when the word companion is
used, such infatuation and attraction diminishes.
‘She Is Not Mine…’
A elderly man
had his wife twenty years ago. His nephew who was sitting near me said, ‘shall
I make my uncle cry?’ I asked, ‘ how will you do that? He is now so old.’ The
young man replied, ‘just watch, and see how sensitive this uncle is.’ Then the
nephew said, ‘what a wonderful lady, my aunt was…how kind she was…’ Upon
hearing this, the old man became tearful and then burst out crying! How crazy people are! Even at the age of sixty he cries! People
even cry while watching a movie. If
someone dies in the movie, they start crying also.
Questioner: So why can he not be freed
from the infatuation and attraction for his dead wife?
Dadashri: One cannot be freed. The problem was created with him believing,
‘she is mine, she is mine.’ Now by reciting, ‘she is not mine, she is not
mine,’ the attachment will dissolve. The threads that were wound have to be
unwound.
Differences In Opinions And Love
Do you have
differences of opinion with your wife?
Questioner: How can a couple be called husband and wife without these differences?
Dadashri: Is that so? Is that the rule? Is it written somewhere that they cannot be called husband and
wife if there are no differences of opinion between them? Are there not some differences in opinion?
Questioner: Yes.
Dadashri: Then does the husband-wife
relationship not keep diminishing with increasing differences of opinions?
Questioner: Love keeps on increasing.
Dadashri: As love increases, does the
difference in opinion not decrease?
Questioner: As the differences in
opinions increase, and as the quarreling increases, so does love.
Dadashri: Yes. It is not love but infatuation and
attraction that increase. This world has not seen love. Love is very different
from infatuation and attraction. You can see love as you are talking to me.
Even if you were to get angry with me, you would still see that love and
realize what love incarnate is. Are you getting anything out of what I am
saying?
Questioner: Yes absolutely.
Dadashri: Yes, be warned, otherwise
you will find yourself becoming a fool. Can there ever be love in such
relationships? How can you expect to see love in others when you do not have it
yourself? It is only when you have love within you that you will see it in
others. Beware! When you search for love, know that you do
not have love within you. Now a days all so called love is selfish love only.
People are taking advantage of each other whenever they can, whether they know
it or not. One is enjoying the other without regards for the other, and that is
not love. It is robbery.
One will find
out about this so-called love between a husband and wife the day the husband
does not bring home any money. His wife will be infuriated. She will even say
words like, ‘ shall I cook your feet in the fire?’ Where does all her love go
at that time? It was all infatuation and attraction. Love is there as long as there is food and a good home. If the
husband then goes on to have an affair, she will threaten to leave him. The poor husband gives in because he feels
guilty. What is the point of this kind of love? Somehow one has to get on with life. The husband has to bring home the money and the wife has to
prepare the meals. This is how the
husband and wife push the cart of their life forward.
Questioner: Why is it that sometimes
although we do not want to harbor abhorrence towards others, we still end up
having it?
Dadashri: Whom are you referring to?
Questioner: Sometimes I feel that way
about my husband.
Dadashri: That is not called
abhorrence. The love of infatuation and attraction is always reactionary. When couples fight, they will avoid each
other. After a few days of maintaining
a distance, their love grows again. That same love will then cause conflicts
and the whole cycle will begin again. Whenever the love becomes excessive,
there will be conflicts. When there are
conflicts, internally there is love. Conflicts
only take place when there is love. Conflicts are the result of worldly love
from the previous life, and this love is excessive. Otherwise there will not be
any conflict whatsoever! That is the nature of all conflicts.
What do people say? ‘Conflict sustains our love.’ There is some
truth in this. It is not real love that increases but infatuation and
attraction increases as a result of these conflicts. Wherever there is less
conflict, there is less infatuation and attraction. Any household where
conflicts between husband and wife is reduced, consider that there is less infatuation
and attraction between them. Is this something that can be understood?
Questioner: Yes and wherever there is
excessive infatuation and attraction there is also a lot of jealousy.
Dadashri: All these problems,
including jealousy arise only from infatuation and attraction. When two people
fight a lot with each other, realize that there is excessive infatuation and
attraction between them. I do not refer
to these conflicts as fighting even if they slap each other. I call it parrot-play. It is like when parrots nudge at each other
with their beaks but in the end there is no bloodshed. That is the play of parrots!
When we hear
such truth, we laugh at our mistakes and foolishness. It is when one hears such truth that one feels a sense of detachment
towards the worldly life, and one begins to question his past mistakes. Alas!
Not only has one made mistakes but one has also suffered tremendously.
Where There Are Faults Or Expectations Love Does Not Exist
The world is
perplexed because it believes that infatuation and attraction is love. The
woman has sexual needs with the man and the man has sexual needs with the
woman. When these needs are not met, there are profuse complaints from the
inner working components, the mind, chit, intellect and ego.
No one belongs
to anyone in this world, even for a minute. This has always been the case and
it always will be. This would become
evident, if a father were to scold his son for an hour. The son would retaliate
and even threaten to sue for his share of the inheritance. Only a Gnani Purush
loves you unconditionally. He alone is truly yours.
So do not look
for love in this world because there is no such thing as love in it. Love
cannot be found anywhere except in a Gnani Purush. Everywhere else love disappears and the quarrels start. That is not called love, it is all
infatuation and attraction, but people refer to it as love. People are always
contradicting themselves! Quarrels cannot be the result of love. Love means you do not see faults in others.
With love one
would never see the fault of the wife or the children throughout his life. In
love, one never sees any faults at all. Just look at how people find faults
with each other. ‘You are like that.’ ‘No, you are like that.’ The world has
not seen even an iota of love. All this is infatuation and attraction of
illusion.
Wherever there
is infatuation and attraction, accusations will happen for sure.. That is the
nature of infatuation and attraction. Accusations like, ‘you are like this and
you are like that.’ And the spouse will retort, ‘you are like that, not me.’
Infatuation and attraction exists in the world, because of quarrels. Quarrels
are vitamins for infatuation and attraction. If there were no quarrels, one
could become enlightened.
These girls
nowadays agree to marry only after close scrutiny. Does that mean that they do
not fight with their husbands? Then how
can that be called love? Love lasts
forever. Love is unchanging; whenever
you see it, it is always the same. One can comfort and solace in this kind of
love only.
One day you may
feel love flowing for her, but when you see her, she is still sulking and
angry. What would you do with your love then? It would be better to throw it
down the drain. What good is the love of a person who goes around sulking? What do you think?
Questioner: That is true.
Dadashri: In love there should be no sulking or moodiness. That is the kind of love you will find from
me.
One’s love
should never fluctuate. If your husband is upset with you, your love for him
should not change. If a woman is given diamonds, her love increases. All this is infatuation and attraction. The
world is run by infatuation and attraction. The only ones who have the license to
love are the Gnanis and the fully enlightened Lords. Their love makes people
blissful. This love creates a permanent bond between them. This love is beyond
this world. There is no hint of worldly love in it.
Human nature is
such that wherever there is too much worldly love it turns into dislike and
abhorrence. When we become sick, we
tire of the ones we love. We tell them to stay away from us or to leave us
alone. You should not have any
expectations of love from your husband and he is a fool if he expects love from
you. Things are fine when our needs are
met. Do we try to make a home out of a
restaurant? We go there to have a cup
of tea, we pay our bill and then we leave! Similarly all we need to do is to
get our work done with ease and minimal friction.
When can one say
that they have gained anything from the family members at home? It is when they
feel love towards you and they miss you. They look forward to the times with
you. People get married but there is no
love there. It is only a sexual
attraction and need. If it were love,
then no matter how many differences they have, their love would not go
away. The absence of such love is
called infatuation and attraction.
Infatuation and attraction is a toilet. Love worth mentioning used to
exist in the past. If the husband went abroad for a prolonged period, the
wife’s chit (inner attentive vision) would remain with her husband her entire
life. She would not think about anyone else. Nowadays if the husband does not
return within two years the woman will find someone else. How can this be called love? It is all a toilet. It is just a change of
toilet. That which is being discharged is a toilet. In love there is surrender
and devotion.
Love is a
constant internal attraction. It stays
on one’s mind the whole day. Marriages
end up in two ways: either they will thrive or they will end. Love that
overflows will subside again. That which overflows is infatuation and attraction,
so stay away from the love that overflows.
The attraction in love should be for the person rather than his or her
physical condition. The love should remain the same even if the external body
is diseased or disfigured. When they are newly married, the husband
caresses his wife’s hand, but if she burns that hand in an accident, and
requests his help in washing and dressing it, he is repulsed. How can there be
such repulsion? Where there is love, there is no repulsion and where there is
repulsion, there is no love. Even the
worldly love should not increase or decrease to this extent. It should be within limits. A Gnani’s love is divine love, which never
increases or decreases.
Love should
exist everywhere. Only love should
prevail in the home. Where there is
love, one does not see fault in others. When a man acts like a husband, it is
egoism, not love. No matter how many mistakes there are, in love one endures
them all. Do you understand that?
Questioner: Yes Dada.
Dadashri: So if there is a mistake,
you have to let it go for the sake of love.
If you love your son, then you cannot look at his mistakes, moreover you
have to reassure him that everything is going to be fine. Love endures everything.
This is all
infatuation and attraction! One moment
the wife will embrace her husband and the next she will criticize him. There is no criticism in love. In love, one cannot look at any faults. In love you do not see faults in a person,
ever. Do these people truly have love? Reject such love.
You will not see
real love in this time cycle. You will not see real love. One man told me, ‘I love her so much. Even
then she insults and rejects me!’ I told him that it was not love. No one
rejects real love.
Real worldly
love is when one completely sacrifices and surrenders, without regards to his
or her ‘safeside’, selfish interest.
Nowadays such sacrifice is very rare and difficult.
Questioner: What do you call such a
love? Is it love of exclusive devotion?
Dadashri: This is called love in the
worldly sense. It is not considered
infatuation and attraction and its rewards are great. But people do not sacrifice themselves, this does not happen! People put themselves first and then
proceed. How many men or women are
there who do not put themselves first?
On the way to
the movies they are caught up in the frenzy of infatuation and attraction and
on their way home they fight. He would
say, ‘you have no sense.’ She would respond by saying, ‘ you are a not wise
yourself.’
Questioner: These are the experiences of
everyone. No one would admit this but
everyone knows that whatever you are saying is correct.
Questioner: There are lots of
responsibilities in life and it is our duty to carry these out. In the process
of carrying out these responsibilities, occasionally some harsh words have to
be used. Is that considered a sin, a
demerit karma?
Dadashri: What is the expression on
your face when you utter these words?
Is it that of a pleasant rose?
If there is disgust on your face, understand that you have caused hurt
and demerit karma. You should say what you have to say with calm and poise,
without using bitter words. Speak
calmly and with understanding and love, using only a few words and one day you
will win him over. If you use harsh words, he will become confrontational and
you will bind negative karma. The child will also bind negative karma; he will
think, ‘you can abuse me while I am young, but I will take care of you when I
grow up’. So do not do such things.
Make him understand instead. Love will win one day. You will not reap its rewards immediately. Continue your love for a month and then see
its results.
Questioner: What should we do if he does
not understand, even though we try our best to explain things to him?
Dadashri: There is no need to
explain. Just love him. But you should
also gently try to make him understand.
Do we use such bitter language with our neighbors?
Questioner: But one needs to have so
much patience.
Dadashri: If a small rock rolls down from a hilltop and hits you, whom do you
blame? Would you not just keep quiet
when you do not see anyone and realize that it fell by itself? You do not blame
the rock. In the same token, when a
person insults you, the insult is your past karmic accounts being settled,
except in this situation you see the ‘doer’, but in reality the insults come by
themselves, he is merely instrumental in the process. Everything that happens in this world is settlement of past
karmic accounts. New karmic accounts
are being created as the old ones are being settled. So when you talk to your children, speak to them gently.
Questioner: If someone is doing something
wrong and you comment upon his wrong acts to help him but it hurts him, how can
that problem be solved?
Dadashri: There is no problem in
cautioning him, but you should know how to do it.
Questioner: How should we tell him?
Dadashri: If
you tell your son, ‘ you are a donkey. You do have no sense,’ his ego will be
hurt. Does he
also not have an ego? If your boss were
to tell you the same words at work, how would you feel? You cannot use such words. You should know
how to caution him.
Questioner: How should we do it?
Dadashri: Sit down with him and tell
him gently that civilized and respectable people do not do such things. Talk to
him gently and lovingly. But instead
what you do is beat him and scold him.
How can this be acceptable?
Without love
there can be no solutions. Even when you grow a plant, you have to nurture it
with love. Merely pouring water over it and shouting at it will not do it. If done with love, if you talk to it wit
love, it will give you nice big flowers!
So imagine how much more it can affect humans!
Questioner: But what do I have to do?
Dadashri: If your telling them does
not produce any results, then you should stop.
We are being foolish because we do not know how to tell them and so we
should stop. We lose our peace of mind and spoil our life to come. Who would do
such a thing?
Not a single
person can be improved in this era of the current time cycle. How can a person
improve others while he himself is so full of faults? When he himself is full
of weaknesses, how can he improve others? To improve others one needs strength.
Here only love is needed.
Speak in such a
manner that the other person’s ego does not arise. Whenever you say anything to
your child, your voice should not be authoritative.
Questioner: Yes, you had said that we should stop talking before the other person
shuts us out.
Dadashri: Yes that is true. You should stop before you get shut
out. It is foolishness to persist to
the point where he does not heed you anymore. It should not be like that. I have never used an authoritative
voice. Only when children are very
young can one use authority in their voice.
Even in such a situation, I show only love towards them. I win them with love love.
Questioner: The power of love is greater
than the power of authority, right?
Dadashri: Yes, but you can only love
when all your other weaknesses go away. Children have good hearts. You should
be kind to them. You can interfere with those who have a lot of intellect but
not with those who are sincere and hearty.
When you plant
something you have to nurture it and care for it. You cannot keep yelling at it
and demand that it better bring forth big flowers. When even a rosebush thrives
with love, what about humans? But these
parents beat and abuse their own children!
The world always
improves through love. There is no
other solution for it. If it could
improve through fear intimidation and repression, then these governments would
get rid of democracy and imprison whoever breaks the law and hang him.
Questioner: Sometimes even when we
explain with love, he still does not understand.
Dadashri: Then in that situation what
else would you do, attack and hurt him?
Questioner: I do not know, what should I
do next?
Dadashri: If you attack and hurt him, he will react in the same manner. That is how fighting starts. One’s life
becomes full of conflicts.
Questioner: But how can we stay calm in
such situations? I do not know what to do when that happens. What should I do
when he does not understand our love?
Dadashri: What can you do? You just have to keep calm. What else can you do to him? Would you hit him instead?
Questioner: But we have not reached the
level where we can remain calm and composed.
Dadashri: Then what else will you do?
Jump up and down if you want to! Why do you remain calm when a police officer
confronts you?
Questioner: Police officers have
authority.
Dadashri: Then you should behave in
the same way with your children. Let them have the ‘authority’ over you. If you remain calm with a police officer,
why can you not do the same with your children?
At home you
should create such an atmosphere of love that your children would hate to
leave. When all they see is your love, love and love they will listen to you.
Then they will accept your value systems.
Why does a child
start to cry when you hit him gently?
He cries because he feels the pain from the insult and not the physical
pain.
The only way to
improve this world is through love. What the world considers love is really
infatuation and attraction. You love
this child, but you get upset with him when he misbehaves. It is because your
love is really infatuation and attraction.
Improvements can
be achieved through love. I improve everyone through love. I talk to them with love, so things do not
get ruined; but if there were even the slightest amount of dislike, it would
spoil things. Milk can turn sour with the slightest exposure to bad air, even
if no yogurt culture is added to it.
With love, one can say
anything. What I am telling you is that
the whole world is yours if you become the embodiment of love. Wherever there
is animosity, slowly change it to love. It is because of animosity that this
world appears callous. Here in my presence, love incarnate, everyone is content
and in bliss.
You will not see
real love in this era of the current time cycle. A man said to me, “I love her
so much and yet she insults me!” I told
him, “That is not love, no one would insult love!”
Questioner: Is there any expectation in
the love that you are talking about?
Dadashri: Expectation? There is no expectation in love. There is equal love the alcoholic as well as
the one who is sober. There is no
expectation in love. Love never expects
anything. Love is beyond the relative dualities.
Questioner: Everyone has expectations
and want people to have nice words for them.
No one likes insults.
Dadashri: If one wishes to be
appreciated, it is not love, but infatuation and attraction. It is all an
illusion.
People who
expect love are foolish. People will only address you with love if your merit karma
is unfolding. Relative, worldly love is
the result of merit karma. When your demerit karma unfolds, your own brother,
will insult and hurt you, even if you have been there at his side in all his
troubles. This is all the effect of
merit and demerit karma. We blame the postman who brings the bad news.
So it is not
real love when your merit karma is unfolding.
You will find love only in a Gnani Purush; otherwise, there is no such
thing as love in this world.
People sever
their friendships over external problems.
When the friendship begins, they display love externally and also feel
the same love internally. But when
problems arise, their conflicts too will be external and internal. There should
be no conflict internally. Although the other person will not be aware of it,
one should still have love for him internally.
As long as there is internal harmony, one’s humanity will not be lost.
One loses humanity when one loses internal harmony.
Love Has No Limitations
Do I not have
love within me? Are you the only one
who has love? Your love is confined to
your wife and your children, whereas my love is limitless.
Questioner: Can love be so shrunken that
it becomes exclusive towards only one individual?
Dadashri: Love has no
limitations. If it has limits and is
confined, then it is called infatuation and attraction. How can it be
limited? If four brothers live under
one roof along with their wives and children, as long as they all live
together, they will say, ‘his is our home’. But when they each move away and
make their own homes, they will begin to say, ‘this is our home and that is
yours’. This is how limitation
arises. So the love that had developed
and encompassed the entire household has narrowed down upon their
separation. As a whole group, their
love is joined. Where there is real love, there is no limitation, or
separation. It is boundless.
Questioner: So please explain the words
love and attachment.
Dadashri: Attachment is relative,
changing and love is real, unchanging.
Love does not increase or decrease.
If it increases or decreases, it is attachment. When relative love becomes excessive, it is
called attachment, and one becomes trapped in it. When attachment decreases it turns into abhorrence. That which is attraction and repulsion is
not love. What people call love, the Lord calls attraction.
Questioner: Why do people have
infatuation and attraction for the world?
Dadashri: The whole world is trapped
in infatuation and attraction. Until
one realizes the Self, one is engulfed in infatuation and attraction. All these
ascetics, monks and religious teachers, are all trapped in infatuation and attraction.
When their infatuation and attraction towards their wives and children leaves,
it is replaced by infatuation and attraction for scriptures, or the infatuation
and attraction of ‘I am, I am’ takes over.
There is infatuation and attraction wherever you look.
Infatuation And Attraction Is Not Real Love
My love does not
increase or decrease. Your love
increases and decreases and that is why it is called infatuation and
attraction. Whenever your love
fluctuates for those near and dear to you, ‘You’ (the Self) should just be the
Knower of it. From now on your love
should not increase or decrease. If the
love increases or decreases too much, it is called infatuation and
attraction. Infatuation and attraction
is always followed by attachment and abhorrence. It is this infatuation and attraction that people refer to as
love.
Questioner: Can you explain the
difference between infatuation and attraction and love?
Dadashri: Infatuation and attraction
is the opposite of love. The love that this world talks about is worldly love,
and that is why this world is so complex itself. This worldly love is
infatuation and attraction.
The world is
immersed in infatuation, attraction and desire, but the One who resides within,
the Self is without all these. Where
there is infatuation and attraction, there is desire. Desire is always
associated with infatuation and attraction. People claim to be free from
desire. Even in their devotion to the
Lord, they claim that they have no desire.
But in reality one can never be free from desire as long as there is
infatuation and attraction.
There is
infatuation and attraction in everything.
It clings even to material things.
If one sees a beautiful tea set, they will get pulled towards it, even
if there is no life in it! I once visited a carpenter who would not be
satisfied until he had inspected a piece of wood five times over! The piece of
wood was round and smooth as satin! He had to feel its smoothness over and over
again! What an infatuation and attraction over a piece of wood! So infatuation and attraction is not limited
to women only. Wherever there is
worldly love that clings, it is simply infatuation and attraction.
Questioner: You explained the subtle nature
of infatuation and attraction. Now how
can one be free from it?
Dadashri: When one realizes, ‘I am beyond attraction and attachment’, One becomes
liberated. One does not need to remove the infatuation and attraction; one just
needs to realize that he is beyond attachment. Infatuation and attraction will
never leave any other way. What happens if you eat something sweet and then
drink tea?
Questioner: The tea does not taste
sweet.
Dadashri: Yes. Similarly after realizing the Self, one will
not find the worldly life as sweet; infatuation and attraction will
disappear. Having acquired the Self,
when one sustains the state of the Self by abiding in my Agnas (Five dictates
to follow after Gnan Vidhi, the direct path to the Self), this worldly life
will not appear as attractive and
binding.
Infatuation and
attraction cannot be removed even if you want to. Just as you cannot remove the
force of magnetism between a magnet and a pin, the infatuation and attraction
in humans does not go. It’s power and its force can be decreased, but it cannot
be eliminated. Infatuation and attraction only goes away, when one becomes the
Self, the one who is never attracted. Otherwise one is always in attraction,
infatuation and attached. As long as ‘he’ is the owner of his name, believes, ‘
I am Chandulal’, he remains attached and bound. He is bound to his name, bound
because he is a husband, a father etc.
Questioner: So when one is not affected
by circumstances, is that real love and not infatuation?
Dadashri: No, only when the ego ends
does one become unattached, the Self..
So when both the ego and attachment, ‘I’ and ‘my’ go away, then it is
called the liberated detached state, the state of the Self. But such a person is very rare.
Questioner: So there should not be any
infatuation and attraction in anything we do, we should not let karma bind…
Dadashri: But infatuation and
attraction will remain in a person, it is naturally there because the
fundamental blunder is not broken. The root cause of his blunder should be
destroyed. What is the root cause? It is his belief, ‘I am Chandubhai’. When
someone insults or accuses Chandubhai, he becomes very angry. This is his
infatuation, his weakness, his illusion of attachment.
This wrong
belief is the root cause and the biggest blunder. There is no other blunder.
The fundamental blunder is that you do not know who you really are and
you believe yourself to be that which you are not. Chandubhai is a name given
to you for the purpose of identification.
People will say, ‘this is Chandubhai.
He is an income tax officer,’ or
‘he is this lady’s husband’ etc.
These are all means of identification only. But all these problems have
arisen because you do not have the awareness of your Self.
Questioner: The ultimate problem lies
there, does it not?
Dadashri: That is the root cause, and one will find a solution when it is
destroyed.
You see things
as good and bad because of your intellect. What is the function of the
intellect? It always looks for profit and loss, advantages and disadvantages,
wherever it goes. Besides this it has no other function. Now you have to get away from this
intellect. You should remain as the
Self, the unattached. You should become the Self, the One beyond all attachment
and abhorrence.. The real nature of the
Self is that it is above all attachment and abhorrence. You too should become
that. All that is needed is to change your nature, come home to your real
nature away from your false nature.
How can one
become a God when one still has infatuation and attraction? How can there be union between infatuation
and attraction and love? How can one be
a God when one has anger within?
Whatever element
God is made of, you become that element. That, which is eternal, is liberation.
That which remains always, that is liberation.
Questioner: Dada, how did you become
liberated?
Dadashri: It all occurred, ‘but
natural’ (Dadashri’s words). I do not know how it all happened!
Questioner: But now you know, don’t you?
Please show us these steps.
Dadashri: I did not set out to do
anything. Nothing happened. What did I set out to do, and what actually
happened!? I simply set out to make some khir (dessert) but instead ended up with
nectar (amrut). All the ingredients from past lives came together. I knew that something within me was cooking.
I knew that much and because of that I felt a sense of pride and a certain
smugness.
Questioner: I thought that if you would
describe the process of how you became enlightened then and I would understand
that process.
Dadashri: If you take this Gnan, and
follow my Agna, that is enlightenment.
After that it does not matter what you eat, drink or wear, as long as
you abide by my Agnas, you are unattached, absolutely. These Agnas are protection for your
unattached state.
The Atomic Science of
Attraction And Infatuation
What can this be compared
to? It is like the attraction between a
magnet and a pin. If you move a magnet
around a pin, the pin would move along with it. When we bring the magnet closer to the pin, the pin will stick to
it. How does the infatuation and
attraction in the pin arise? Similarly in this body too, because of the
presence of the electrical body within, there is a property like that of a
magnet. The electricity within gives
rise to the body’s magnetic property, so when the body encounters atoms
compatible to its own, attraction happens, whilst with others, there is no such
attraction. This attraction is known as attachment and abhorrence. People will
say, ‘I am attracted’. If you do not
wish it, then why is your body being pulled against your wishes? So who are ‘you’ in all this?
If you tell your
body ‘do not to go there’, it will still get up and go. That is because the
atoms within are being attracted. The
body gets pulled away wherever there are compatible atoms. Otherwise why would our body be pulled when
we do not wish for it to be? When people’s bodies are pulled towards each
other, they say they have too much attachment.
But if you ask them whether they wish it, they will say that they do
not, but even then they are pulled by their attraction. This then, is not attachment (raag), but the
property of attraction. But until one
has Gnan, one cannot call it an attraction, because one believes that he is the
one who is being attracted. If one has
this Gnan, when one is the Self, one would know that it is because of the
attraction that the body gets pulled and that He does not do anything. He is
simply the Knower. So when this body gets attracted, it is this body, which is
involved in activity; it is all an attraction of the atoms. It has nothing to
do with the Self.
The nature of
the mind, body and speech is of attraction and repulsion, and the nature of the
Self is not. The body becomes attracted; it is comparable to the force between
a magnet and a pin. A magnet will not attract brass. It attracts only iron; so it only attracts atoms compatible to
its own. Similarly the atoms in our
body are like that of a magnet; they attract those of their own class. Atoms of
similar properties are attracted. A woman will get along with an insane
daughter-in-law but not with her own sane sister. That is because the atoms do not match.
That is why even
towards one’s son, there is only infatuation and attraction. Infatuation and attraction arises from the
coming together of compatible atoms. If these atoms do not match exactly, then
nothing will happen. So this is all
scientific. Infatuation and attraction
is the nature of the body. It is the
nature of the atoms.
Infatuation and
attraction can either be above normal or below normal. Love is within normality; it remains
constant without changing. Infatuation and attraction belongs to the inanimate
property of the body, the non-Self and not the Self.
When one finds
harmony and oneness in this world, there is a reason behind it. It is because of the properties of the atoms
of infatuation and attraction, but one can never tell what will happen at any
given moment. As long as there are matching atoms, the attraction will be there
and harmony will prevail. But when the
atoms do not match, there will be repulsion, which gives rise to hatred.
Therefore wherever there is infatuation and attraction, without doubt there is
also hatred. In infatuation and
attraction there is no awareness of what is beneficial for one, whereas in love
complete awareness is there.
This is the
science of atoms. The Self has nothing to do with it. But people are under an illusion about the attraction of the
atoms. They believe that they have been
attracted. The Self never gets
attracted.
It is because of
the attraction like that between the magnet and the pin that you think that you
are attracted because of your love. But
there is no such thing as love in this attraction.
Questioner: So don’t these people know
whether it is love or not?
Dadashri: Everyone understands
love. Even a two-year-old child will
understand what real love is. That is called love. Everything else is
infatuation and attraction.
Love is that
which does not increase or decrease under any circumstance. All else is an
illusion. And such language is also an illusion.
Enmity Is Borne Out Of Attraction And Infatuation
The world has
seen everything except love. What the
world calls love, is really infatuation and attraction, and it is because of
this infatuation and attraction that these problems arise.
People believe
that the world is being sustained through love, but that is not so. It has arisen and is being sustained through
hate. There is no foundation of love at
all. It has arisen on the foundation of hate and vengeance. That is why I tell you to get rid of your
hate and settle all your accounts with equanimity.
The Lord says
that internal difficulties that arise out of abhorrence are beneficial. One can
never be free of internal difficulties that arise out of worldly love. The
whole world is trapped in such difficulties. So do not become too attached to
people. Keep your distance. Do not have worldly love for anyone and do
not be trapped by his or her worldly love.
But you will not be liberated if you spurn someone else’s love. Beware!
If you want to be liberated, be thankful to those who oppose and
contradict you. Those who shower
worldly love on you bind you and those who oppose you, help you towards your
final liberation. You have to free
yourself from those who shower you with love, but make sure that you do not
reject them in the process. It is
through rejection of worldly love that this whole world has arisen.
The Self is
unattached and free, and You are That. It is not something that I have given
you. It is actually ‘your’ own real
nature but you may think that Dada has given you this unattached state, and
made you feel indebted to Dada. There
is no need to thank me. Furthermore, if
I were to believe that I am benefiting you, then my love will begin to
change. I cannot believe that I am
obliging you. Therefore, I have to
remain in complete understanding and in absolute awareness.
Therefore, the detached
state is your own nature. What do you
think? Is it something that I have given you or is it actually your own
inherent nature?
Questioner: My own nature!
Dadashri: Yes, say it like that. If
you say, “Dada gave me”, to everything, then when will it all end?
Questioner: But it was you who made us
aware and awakened us, Dada.
Dadashri: Yes, but that is all I did,
awaken you. But when you say, ‘Dada has given me everything’, all I have really
done is given you what is already yours.
Questioner: You gave us what was ours,
but did we even know that it was ours?
Dadashri: You did not know that but
you did find out eventually! The glory
of this knowing is something else! How
glorious this is! This grandeur would not go away even if someone were to
insult you. If on the other hand, this
knowledge were not there, a person would feel insulted if someone did not
acknowledge him in a public reception. Now look at the difference between the
two!
Questioner: Wherever you were attracted
to once, will that all become detached?
Dadashri: Yes, that is the way! These are all the steps. Eventually one has to come to the state of
the unattached, the Self.
What is God like? He is
unattached. He is never attached.
Questioner: Even the Gnani is
unattached?
Dadashri: Yes. That is why our love is constant and the
same everywhere. It is equal for
everyone. My love is the same for those
who insult me and for those who shower me with flowers. There is no discrimination in my love and
where the love is not discriminating, the intellect disappears. Love destroys intellect or else the
intellect will end love. Where there is
intellect, there is no love. Where there is love, there is no intellect. When
intellect disappears, the ego disappears. It is when nothing remains and all
attachment is gone, that one becomes the embodiment of love, love incarnate. I
am eternal love. I do not have any attachment for this body. I have no
attachment for this speech. I have no attachment to this mind.
Real love arises
only when the ego and attachment are gone.
Real love is something that is born out of absolute non-attachment
(vitaragata). First, one has to become
free from all dualities, then only one becomes a vitarag. Both duality (dvaita) and non-duality
(advaita) are in itself a duality. Those who follow non-duality will have
issues about duality. In rejecting
duality, they become absorbed by duality. Nevertheless non-duality is of some
benefit. It is when one goes way beyond
non-duality that one will arrive at the stage of the vitarag, the absolutely
enlightened One. The distance between non-duality, advaita and the vitarag is a
hundred thousand miles of spiritual travel. And it is here that real love
arises. And this love is the Supreme love. Such a love will not decrease, even
if someone was to slap him, and if it does, then it was not real love.
It is okay if
someone hurts us, but we have to be careful that no one is hurt by us. Only
then can love flow and be experienced by the other. Gradually one has to become
the embodiment of pure love for everyone.
Questioner: What does it mean to become
the embodiment of pure love?
Dadashri: If a person leaves after
insulting you, and returns a few minutes later, if your love for him does not
diminish, that is pure love (shuddha prem). One needs to learn to have this
kind of love, nothing else. You should
have the kind of love that I show you.
Will you be able to manage this before this life comes to an end? So now learn to have such a love.
If one understands the world
exactly as it is, and then experiences it from that perspective, then he will
become the embodiment of love. What
does ‘as it is’ mean? It means that all
living beings are innocent. They are
flawless. It is because of illusion
that one sees faults in others.
It is an illusion
if people appear good and it is also an illusion if they appear to have faults.
The former is because of attachment and the latter because of detachment. In reality everyone is flawless. When you
see faults in them, you cannot love them.
So when you see the world as flawless, that is when pure love will
arise. As long as we look upon others as being separate from ourselves, we feel
as sense of ‘mine’ and ‘yours’. As long as you keep differences with the other
person, you will have attachment towards your own. Those for whom we have attachment, we consider ‘ours’ and those
with whom we feel detachment, we consider as belonging to others. A person with this kind of discrimination
can never become an embodiment of love.
The nature of
the Self is love and with such a love, one forgets all one’s problems. Once bound through this love, nothing else
can bind you.
When does love
arise? It is when you ask for
forgiveness for all mistakes that have happened so far. You accept that you,
and only you are at fault for seeing fault in others. You should take this approach with those for whom you wish to
love in real terms. Only then will you
feel love. Do you want to love or not?
Questioner: Yes Dada.
Dadashri: These are all my methods. The very method that guided me to full
enlightenment is the same method by which I guide you all.
When you become
the embodiment of love, others will experience oneness with you. Everyone has attained oneness with me in
this manner. This method is being
opened up to everyone.
Pure love will
increase in proportion to the decrease in differences experienced. What do we need to get rid of in order to
develop pure love? One has to be rid of their differences so that pure love can
arise. When the differences between the other and I disappear completely,
absolute, pure love is established.
This is the only way.
Did you understand this
‘point of view’? This is something very
different. One has to become the personification of love. One will then feel a
sense of oneness with everyone. There
will be no discrimination or difference.
People usually say, ‘this is mine and that is yours!’ It is like a
disease. Differences exist because of this disease. But when people depart from
this world, is there any such thing as ‘mine’ and ‘yours’? Once this
‘disease’ is eradicated, one will become a personification of love.
Love is when one
perceives the Self in all living beings.
All this is ‘I’, and ‘I’ am in all. Otherwise one will have to say,
‘you’. If you do not see, ‘I’ then you will see, ‘you’. Then there will always
be a difference between you and others.
For worldly interactions, you will have to say, ‘I’ and ‘you,’ but in
reality you should see ‘I’ everywhere. To become the embodiment of love is to
see everything with oneness, and act with oneness. Get rid of your belief that
others are different. You should feel
as though everyone is a part of one big family.
Love is when
there is no falling apart, no separation. It is called love when there is no
discrimination. Such love is said to be within normal limits. If there is any difference in one’s love for
another person, then it will fluctuate.
It will increase when the other person does something good and decrease
when he does something wrong. It
deviates from normality. The real love
does not take account of the other person’s actions. It only looks at the Self in him.
Questioner: What is that we feel for
you, Dada?
Dadashri: It is my love that grabs
you. Real love touches the whole
world. Where can you find love? Love is found wherever there is oneness. So when can one attain oneness with the
world? It is when one becomes the
embodiment of love that oneness with the whole world is attained. There you see only love.
When is it
called infatuation and attraction? It
is when you want worldly things. When you desire material things. There is no problem with yearning for real
happiness. There is no problem with the
love you have for me. That love will help you. All other types of love will
disappear.
Questioner: So the feelings that we have
for you, is it the result of love in your heart?
Dadashri: Yes, it is the result of
love. People become wise with this
weapon of love. I do not have to scold
them.
I do not mean to scold
anyone. The only weapon I have is this love. ‘I mean to conquer this world with
love’.
I have laid down
my arms. I have laid down my weapons of
anger, pride, attachment and greed. The world wields these weapons of anger,
pride, attachment and greed. I aim to conquer the world through love. The love
that people know and understand is the mundane worldly love. Real love is that
which will not depress me if you insult me, or elevate me if you praise
me. In real love no changes occur. If any changes do occur, they will be
feelings of this body and not of the pure love. I the love incarnate am separate from these thoughts, speech and
acts.
Even an
attractive person appears ugly because of his ego. When he becomes the pure Self, he will be beautiful. Then even the ugly will look beautiful, but
it is only when pure love arises within.
People want unconditional love, love devoid of selfishness, love that
frees.
This is nature’s
law, because love is the Self.
Where there is
no love, there is no path to liberation. Even when one does not know the right
things to say, one is offered love only. This is pure love.
God exists where
there is honesty in relative interactions and where there is pure love, which
does not increase, or decrease. These
are the two places where God resides. Where there is love, faith and purity,
that is where God is.
Love arises
after one transcends the ‘relative self’ and becomes absolutely independent.
Where can one find Gnan, real knowledge? It is where work is achieved through
love. There, there is no give or take.
There is oneness there. Where there is an exchange of money, there is no
love. Do people not charge a fee for
their spiritual discourses? That is a business and you will not find love
there. Where there is love there is no deceit. Where there is deceit there is
no love.
One gets used to
wherever one sleeps on; if one sleeps on a mat he gets used to that mat and if
one sleeps on a Dunlop mattress, he will get used to that too. If you ask the one who insists upon sleeping
on the mat, to sleep on the Dunlop mattress, he would not be able to sleep. Insistence
is poison and the absence of insistence is nectar. Until one attains the state where one becomes free of all
insistence, the love of the world will not be
acquired. Pure love is born out of non-insistence and pure love is the Supreme
Lord.
One becomes an
embodiment of love when one does not look for rules and regulations. If you look for rules and regulations, you
cannot become the embodiment of love.
Love is not to be found with the one who asks, ‘why are you late?’ When
you are the embodiment of love, people listen to you. If you have infatuation
and attraction, who would listen to you?
You need money, you need women, is that not infatuation and attraction?
Even the need to have disciples is infatuation and attraction.
Questioner: It is said that real love
arises from the heart. These emotions also arise from the heart, do they not?
Dadashri: No. That is not love. Love is pure. What would
happen to the passengers in a train, if the train were to become ‘emotional’?
Questioner: There would be a problem. There
would be an accident.
Dadashri: People would die. Similarly,
when a person becomes emotional, innumerable organisms die within that person’s
body. He becomes responsible for it.
There are many such responsibilities that arise when one becomes
emotional in this manner.
Questioner: Without emotion, would a
person not become like a rock?
Dadashri: I am ‘emotionless’; do I
look like a rock? I do not have any
‘emotions’ at all. One with ‘emotions’
(above and below normal) becomes ‘mechanical’ (the non-Self) but one who is ‘in
motion’ (normality) will not become ‘mechanical’ (remains as the Self).
Questioner: But if a person, who has not
attained ‘Self Realization’, were to be without ‘emotions’, would he not appear
like a rock?
Dadashri: That cannot happen! It can never happen. Otherwise people will become insane. Even the insane are emotional. The whole
world is emotional. Either one is emotional, worldly love or one is the Self,
pure love.
Questioner: You have to express feelings
to live in this world. You have to
display feelings. If you do not show
any feelings, then people will think you are insensitive. Now along with receiving this Gnan, comes
the understanding of the Gnan. Then our feelings are not so easily
expressed. Should they not be expressed
in daily life?
Dadashri: You just have to observe
what happens.
Questioner: Say for example if the son
is going abroad for his education and the parents go to see him off at the
airport. The mother starts to cry but not the father. She will say, ‘ you have no feelings, you are a stone’.
Dadashri: No. His feelings are not like that. So what if the son is going
abroad? If she is overcome with tears
and starts to cry, you should gently say, ‘how long are you going to remain
weak like this, especially when you want liberation from all worldly
entanglements?’
Questioner: No, if he did not express
that much feeling, then a man is considered hard-hearted. A man without feelings is hard-hearted.
Dadashri: Feelings lie with those who
do not shed tears. Your feelings are wrong.
Your feelings are demonstrated, while his, which are not shown are
real. Feelings are from the heart. People have misunderstood all this. Feelings
cannot be forced. It is a natural gift.
If you tell someone that he is hard as a rock, then you would stop
whatever feelings he may otherwise have.
It is not feelings when one cries one moment and forgets the next.
Feeling is not to cry and yet to remember all the time.
Even I am with
feelings. I never cry and yet I have constant feelings for everyone. That is because the more the people come to
see me, the more they come into my Gnan daily.
Questioner: At times the way the parents
show feelings for their children, it appears to be excessive.
Dadashri: That is all emotional, above
or below normality. Even those who show
no feelings are considered
‘emotional’. It should be within
normality. Normal means dramatic only.
Just as the actor acts realistically in a play, you should perform your role in
life with the same degree of conviction.
Even the audiences of the play (the world) become convinced that there
were no flaws in your role. The
feelings displayed were all for the sake of the play. Do you understand?
Questioner: Yes, I do understand.
Dadashri: So say to your son, ‘son
come here and sit with me. Besides you, I do not have anyone else’. I too used to tell Hiraba (Dadashri’s wife)
that, ‘ when I went out of town, I miss you. I do not like being away from
you.’
Questioner: Hiraba would even believe
that.
Dadashri: Yes. It is the truth. But
internally I did not let it touch me.
Questioner: In the old days parents did
not have time to love or tend to their children, and they did not give any love
either. They did not give too much attention to their children. Nowadays
parents give a lot of attention to their children. They pay a lot of attention
to them and yet why is it that the children do not have love for their parents?
Dadashri: This
current love is nothing but increasing infatuation and attraction, an illusion
of increasing attachment. This results in increased preoccupation with that
which attracts them, the children. In the past there was very little attachment,
whereas nowadays there is much more attachment to many more objects in the
world.
Questioner: Yes, and the parents too,
yearn for love from their children.
They expect to be respected by their children.
Dadashri: It is love only. The world
is dependent upon love. It is not dependent on material comforts. The world is
seeking love, not material comforts. Alas! This love is involved in conflicts.
Love and conflicts can never exist together. The love should be that which
resolves all conflicts.
Questioner: Children also have a lot of love for their parents.
Dadashri: The children too have a lot!
But even their love is associated with conflicts.
Questioner: It is believed that where
there are more feelings, there is more love.
Dadashri: There is no love there at
all! It is all infatuation and attraction. There is no such word as love in
this world. To even utter the word ‘love’ is wrong. It is all infatuation and attraction from within.
Questioner: Then what are all these
feelings and sentiments? Can you please explain?
Dadashri: All this sentimental
behavior falls under ‘emotions’. When a person does not remain ‘in motion’ (the
Self), he becomes ‘emotional’.
Questioner: In the English language
there are two words- ‘feelings’ and ‘emotions’.
Dadashri: Yes, but ‘feelings’ and
‘emotions’ are two different things.
Sentiments and sentimentality fall under the ‘emotional’ because they
cross the boundaries of normality. Feelings that are dramatic are natural and
are in normality.
As long there is
any degree of sentimentality, and as long as there is infatuation and
attraction, the person will have tension and it will show on his face. I have
love, which is why I live without any tension. No one else can live without
tension. Everyone has tension. This
whole world has tension!
Gnani Is The River Of
Feelings
The Gnani Purush
has feelings but they do not touch him internally. They remain as they are,
separate and natural. There is no rule that requires that the feelings be felt
internally and touch the Self. How can a person be called a human being if he
has no feelings?
Questioner: You said that even you have feelings. You have also said that your
feelings are like ours, but are higher than ours, because they are for all.
Dadashri: Yes I have feelings. I can
never be without feelings.
Questioner: And yet these feelings do
not ‘touch’ you?
Dadashri: Yes, I allow these feelings
to sit where they belong naturally, in the non-Self, the foreign department.
Where as you make the error of let them sit in a place, which is not natural
for it, the realm of the self.
Questioner: Please clarify that demarcation.
Dadashri: One needs to keep separate
the foreign and the home. Keep that
which belongs to the foreign department in the foreign department, do not bring
it home. Whatever goes on in the foreign department, the non-Self should not be
allowed to touch the home, the Self. Enter the home after leaving everything in
the foreign department.
Questioner: But under the force of the
feelings it is difficult to maintain this separation between foreign and home.
Dadashri: Why would it not, remain
separate for the one who have taken Gnan?
Questioner: I want to understand how you
apply that.
Dadashri: I leave the feeling in the
foreign department and then enter the home department. If the feeling tries to
enter I say, ‘sit outside’. Whereas you folks say, ‘ come on in my dear,
welcome’.
People tell me that I worry
about them. That is true but they do not realize that I do not allow those
worries to touch or affect me. Worries
can debilitate a person; take away his energies, whereas one can do anything if
he does not have worries. Worries can
destroy a man. So I do everything superfluously and do not allow worries to
touch me.
Questioner: So really, you would not do
anything. If a Mahatma were suffering
deeply, would you not do anything?
Dadashri: Of course I would! But it would be superfluous. By superfluous
I mean that the work is being all taken care of in the foreign department. I
would not let it affect me. Everything that the relative-self needs to do
should be done. One should let all the
external processes take place, but without any worries. On the contrary, things
become ruined by worries. Are you really asking me to worry?
When you let
something affect you, you become involved and the separation of the foreign and
home department gets blurred, and you will not accomplish what you set out to
do. This is how everyone in this world reacts and that is why nothing is
achieved in this world. When I do not
let it affect me, it is a protection for the other person and me also. This is what I mean by the term ‘safeside’.
I have
experienced that the outcome is not good when I let it affect me. I lose my energies and the other person’s
work does not get done. And if I do not
let it affect me, then the strength of the Self, energies increase and the
other person’s work is done.
This science is
love itself. There is no anger, pride,
attachment and greed in love. If any of these exist then it is not love.
Questioner: Everyone in the world is
searching for pure love but in vain.
Dadashri: This is the path of pure
love. This science of ours is void of
desires of any kind. This is the path
of pure love. Such a path cannot be found in this time cycle era and it is
indeed a wonder that it has arisen.
Questioner: Can you explain the
difference between pure love and virtuous love?
Dadashri: There is ego involved in
virtuous love, whereas in pure love, there is no ego. In virtuous love there is
no greed or deceit, but there is pride in it.
In virtuous love, one has a sense of being: ‘I am’. And in pure love, one feels oneness with
everyone, because there is no ego.
Questioner: But is it true that in any
activity, good or bad, there is no element of ego. Is it logical?
Dadashri: No. That cannot be. That is wrong, because no activity can be
carried out without the ego. Even
virtuous activities require the ego.
Questioner: Even for pure love ego is
necessary. So how can one do so without the ego? Can the ego and pure love
co-exist?
Dadashri: As long as the ego is present,
there can never be pure love. Ego and
pure love cannot co-exist. When does
pure love happen? It is when the ego
starts to dissolve and only when the ego completely disappears, that one
becomes an embodiment of pure love. The
embodiment of pure love is the absolute Self. In the presence of the Absolute
Self, The Gnani, one can receive all kinds of blessings. The Absolute Self is impartial. It is beyond the scriptures. All the four Vedas say, ‘this is not that’.
It is the Gnani Purush that says, ‘this
is that!’ The Gnani Purush is pure love and he can give you your Self right
away.
Compassion is a
universal intent that is for the entire world.
It arises out of one’s concern for everyone trapped in the world’s
miseries and how they all can be alleviated.
Questioner: I want to know the
relationship between love and compassion.
Dadashri: Love and compassion are different. Compassion means a generalized
awareness of suffering of the entire humanity. This is a type of grace. Love is
different. Love is the vitamin for the self. People have taken a lot of
vitamins for the body, but they have never taken the vitamin for the self. When
one sees pure love, the vitamin, the inner energy of the self expresses.
Questioner: Does it not happen naturally Dada?
Dadashri: Naturally.
Questioner: So there is nothing left for the other person to do?
Dadashri: Nothing at all. This whole path
is natural and spontaneous.
Questioner: After the Gnan we experience
the flow of love, love, love. What is that?
Dadashri: That is real attachment
(prashastah raag). The attachment with which all other attachments of the world
disappear, is what the Lord calls prashastah raag. This attachment is the primary cause for final liberation. This
attachment does not bind you because there are no worldly intentions in
it. The attachment you feel towards a
benevolent One, is real attachment, and it is
this attachment that will break all other attachments.
When you
meditate on Dada, the attributes of Dada will manifest within you. You should not have desire for any worldly
things. Just desire the continued bliss of the Self. And if someone were to
insult you, your love for him should remain unaffected. As long as you stay
this way, your work is done.
Questioner: Sometimes during sleep, in a
state of light sleep, Dada comes to mind and continues to remain there. What is all that?
Dadashri: Yes. That happens. It is because Dada travels throughout the
world in a very subtle state. On a
gross level I am here, but ‘Dada’ in a subtle form roams throughout the world,
He watches over everything. He does not
bother anyone.
A lot of people
have dreams of Dada and sometimes they also converse with Him. Even during the daytime, when they are
awake, they talk to Dada. They even
write down their conversations and read them to me when they meet me.
Such things
continue to happen. There are no miracles in this. This is natural. Any person
that has become free from all the veils of ignorance, but has not yet reached
the stage of absolute Knowledge, such a person is the manifestation of real
love, and in the presence of such a person, everything is possible.
There are some
people, who love unselfishly, but they have egos and so their love is not
completely unselfish. Only when their
egos disappear, will they have pure love. The Gnani is love incarnate. Whenever
a person falls into difficulties, the Gnani is his solace.
This love is
Godly love! It is not found everywhere!
It is very rare.
The Gnani has
equal love for everyone, regardless of his or her physical appearance. He loves the fat and the thin, the black and
the white, the physically fit and the disabled. Everywhere his love is
constant. He does not look at the external but at the Self within and that is
why he has equal love for everyone.
Just as in the worldly dealings, people do not look at a person’s outer
clothes but at his human qualities, the Gnani looks at the Self only and
not the physical packing.
Such a love
attracts everyone, the learned as well as the illiterate, the young and the
old. Such a love accommodates everyone.
It even attracts the children who come and sit here and do not want to
leave because the atmosphere is so beautiful.
Only the love of the Gnani
Purush is worth observing! Today there
are some fifty thousand people here, and all feel his love equally. All of them
are living with that love.
Questioner: That is very difficult!
Dadashri: But that love has manifest
within me. So many people live solely on this love of mine. They are constantly
with ‘Dada, Dada, and Dada’. They are not bothered even if they get nothing to
eat. Love is such a thing.
Their sins are
completely destroyed with this very love.
Otherwise how else were they going to wash their sins in this time cycle
era?
Love Of The Gnani Purush:
Love Of The Tirthankar
The world has
never before seen the love that is manifest here. Whenever such a love did
manifest, it was within the Vitarag Lords and so that love was not visible. In
my case because I fell short of achieving keval Gnan (absolute Knowledge), that
love expressed visibly.
Questioner: You said that you became the
embodiment of love but an absolute enlightenment, absolute vitarag state did
not manifest, and can you explain that?
Dadashri: Love is when one does not feel even the slightest of negativity
towards anyone. So only absolute
vitarag state is called love.
Questioner: Then where is this love
located? In what condition is it called
love?
Dadashri: As one becomes more and more detached (Vitarag), one’s love will arise
proportionately. The Absolute Vitarag has absolute love! You have all become vitadwesh (without
abhorrence). Now you have to slowly
become Vitarag (without attachments) in all matters. That is how love will arise towards the full phase.
Questioner: Here you have said that you
have love, what does it mean when you say that you did not get full vitarag
state?
Dadashri: Vitarag state is this love
of mine. You are able to see my love, but the love of the Absolute Vitarag is
not visible. Their love however is
considered real love. People can see my
love, but that is not called real love.
Real love is when one becomes an Absolute Vitarag; complete full moon,
whereas for me it is not considered the full moon, but the moon of the night
before the full moon.
Questioner: That means the love of the one
with the full moon is greater than yours?
Dadashri: Yes, theirs is the real
love! Real love is of those with the full moon. My love lacks in some places.
Questioner: Can one have absolute
vitarag state and yet be lacking in love?
Dadashri: They can never be without
love, full love.
Questioner: Is there so much of a difference between the fourteenth day moon and
the full moon?
Dadashri: Quite a lot of difference!
It would appear to be very much like the full moon, but there is a vast difference! What do I have? I have nothing. Whereas, the
Tirthankars have everything. Nevertheless, the satisfaction I feel is the same
as that of that of the full moon! My
energies and powers are such that I feel as if I have achieved the full moon
too!!
Questioner: Now after taking this Gnan,
two to three more lives, births still remain.
So are you not bound to help us with your total compassion until they
are completed?
Dadashri: I am bound only by love. I am bound as long as there is your love.
When your love ceases, then I am free.
If your love turns towards the worldly things, then you will not remain
bound to me. If your love remains towards the Self, then I will remain bound to
you. What do you think? Are we not bound? We are bound for sure
through love!
It does not take
long to please the one with an ego. He would be very happy even if you were to
give him the slightest compliment. A Gnani on the other hand is not easy to please. There is nothing in this world that makes
the Gnani happy! Only your love makes
him happy, because he is the only one with real love. The Gnani has nothing to
offer you but love. They have love
towards the whole world.
The pure love that you see
of the Gnani Purush, the love that you see clearly, is itself the Divine Lord
in human form. The pure love that you can see, the one that neither increases
nor decreases, the love that remains constant, is the Absolute Self. The Lord in human form is clearly visible
through His love. Gnan is the invisible
subtle form of the Lord. That takes some time to understand. So there is no need to look for pure love
outside in the world. Outside, all you have is infatuation and attraction. The love that does not increase or decrease
is the divine pure love of The Lord.
Jai Sat Chit Anand
The
Awareness Of The Eternal Is Bliss
PURE LOVE IS THE DIVINE SELF
The pure love that you see
in the Gnani Purush, is the love of the living Lord. This love is constant,
unconditional, neither increases nor decreases, the love that remains constant,
and sees the world as flawless. This love makes you experience the Lord in
human form. This love is palpable and yours to experience. There is no love in
the external world. What the world calls love is nothing but infatuation and
attraction. Real love resides within and near the one who has known the Self in
all splendour and glory. This love is God and God is love.
- Dadashri
Jai Sat Chit Anand
The Awareness Of
The Eternal Is Bliss
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