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 Param Vinay thhi moksha chhe
Absolute humility leads to freedom

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The questioner of the following wishes to remain anonymous, however he has consented to publishing it on the web.

 

Feb 2009

 

 

Dear Shuddha:

 

The first group (believes before the Gnan Vidhi)

 

1.Is it really possible for a Christian or a Muslim to receive Akram Vignan without leaving their religions (believes)?

2.Do I have to believe in Shri Simandhar Swami or Dadashri as God?

3.All what one can call “man made religions” requires a blind believe to start with and the rest of the religion is based on that blind believe. Does believing in Dadashri as God before one experience the promised Self can be considered the same?

4.In the web site I read (You are not being converted to a specific religion. The Self within all living beings is beyond any religion.) And in the very next sentence I read (You may be asked to bow down to an image of a God and a human being.) is it contradiction? And is it a must? And why using the word may? Is this optional?

5.And if the answer is (YES) how it can be said, “It will not disturb or touch any of your current knowledge, beliefs or ways of interacting with the world.”

6.And if the answer is (NO) can I receive the Gnan Vidhi without being asked (to bow down to an image of a God and a human being.)?

7.During the Gnan Vidhi (specially if it is conducted in Gujarati or Hindi) will I be asked to repeat words that I don’t understand and get the explanation for what I was saying later?

 

The second group (believes after the Gnan Vidhi)

 

8.Do I have to believe in Dadashri as God to be able to follow his five Agnas?

9.Do I have to believe in Shri Simandhar Swami to be able to establish the prashashtha raag  (attachment which liberates)?

 

The third group (believes about reincarnation, free will versus destiny and consciousness)

 

10.I read the fault is of the sufferer; Avoid clashes; Adjust everywhere and whatever has happened is justice and it is all based on (the pending accounts from our previous life) is there any prove to previous life?

11.In whatever has happened is justice it say “If you understand and accept that, ‘Whatever happens is justice’, you will sail through life, unhindered) is it another Acceptance (blind believe) so one don’t ask any questions? Same like the rest of the religions? Is it an imaginary justice? Is one had to deceive himself to feel a bit better assuming he had a pervious life, then assuming that he did something wrong during that previous life and there for he can assume that he deserves what had happened based on a previous life he is not sure of?

12.And in another place I read, “If we believe and accept that we are at fault”

Why should we believe and accept that?

 

13.In the web site I read (Are you curious about free will versus destiny? Do you wander about and give up understanding or defining consciousness? Here, you will find answers to all these and more) no I didn’t find any answers for these questions?

 

 

Dear Chandulal:

 

Your questions will be in bold. My replies will be in regular font.

 

First Group:

 

The first group (beliefs before the Gnan Vidhi)

 

1.Is it really possible for a Christian or a Muslim to receive Akram Vignan without leaving their religions (beliefs)?

 

If a person who holds Christian beliefs, or Muslim beliefs is satisfied and is happy with his beliefs, he will not look for anything further. So then the question of leaving the religion does not arise.

 

Yes it is happening and it is very possible for a person who has been born and raised as a Christian or a Muslim or in the Jewish faith or for that matter as a Hindu or a Jain or as a Buddhist to come to realize the Self in Akram Vignan and in doing so there is really no conflict if one approaches it with the right prior understanding. The Self is common in all human beings regardless of their worldly religious upbringing or beliefs.

 

If the belief of a Higher God, or a Creator God, or a Punishing God above is indelible and the person is fine with that, there is no need to seek further and create unnecessary turmoil and confusion. Such a person is fine pursuing his current belief and religion.

 

It is a misunderstanding and a fallacy to believe that one will be ‘leaving’ his religion, because one takes up the path of the Self-realization of/via Akram Vignan. Every religion teaches non-violence and avoidance of hurt to others and this goal is best attained when one realizes who he really is. Are you really Chandulal? Or are you the knower of what is happening, has happened and will happen to Chandulal? Do you find any difference between the statements, ‘I am Chandulal,’ and ‘my name is Chandulal?’

 

Every belief of a human being is constantly changing under the influences of the changing circumstances in life. One learns from this and grows. Likewise in matters of faith, religion and spirituality, one is constantly learning from experiences. These experiences modify and change one’s inherent prefixed beliefs.

 

If one surrenders to the will of God or a Higher power for the welfare of his daily life and situation, one is free. One then lets the ‘God’ take care of everything. The problem is with the people who are not quite sure about this ‘God’ above. These are the people who begin searching and are called seekers and such human beings are plentiful all over the world, regardless of their religious background by birth or upbringing.

 

Critical thinking is defined as that which is beneficial for the world and therefore the self too. Even more critical thinking is that which begins with the questions like, ‘how is this right for me?’ ‘Will it bring about inner harmony and peace or will it create conflicts?’ ‘Is there a way to be really free from conflicts?’ ‘What is the origin of conflict?’ ‘What have the great Ones who are being worshipped as messengers of God or God-like men said about this? Why is it that despite knowing all these answers I am so full of dissatisfaction and inner turmoil in my life?

 

2.Do I have to believe in Shri Simandhar Swami or Dadashri as God?

 

No belief is right if it is a forced belief. Belief is that which takes hold naturally and without any contradictions and arguments. Nothing in Akram Vignan creates any contradictions in the mind of the seeker. Yes, the initial questions, like yours, are natural and the answers are there too.

 

Now we have to define God. The definition of God is different for different levels of religious understanding. The Christians, Muslims and Jews believe in a Higher separate God. The Hindus and Jains believe in God as pure absolute Soul, Paramatma, and the supreme Self. The Hindus believe that the Soul within is a part of the Supreme Soul. The Jains believe that the Self indeed is the God, and He resides with all living beings. Even amidst current day Jains and Hindus there is much confusion and inexactness with reference to the role of God in one’s life. Many believe that He is the doer and others believe in Him as the Creator-Punisher-Destroyer God.

 

 

These are all levels of understanding

 

Dadashri has given the ultimate definition of God

 

I+ My= Chandulal

 

I minus Ė My= God

 

The ‘I’ within you is God. But, you have not realized that yet. Very rare human beings get to realize that.  If it happens, one becomes free. He is not concerned or worried about an external God or a doer/ creator God.

 

If this does not appeal to you, you should not read any further. You would be best off with your current belief of a Higher God entity who controls and rules this world. That is best for you and for your inner peace and harmony.

 

Dadashri is not a God. Dadashri is an enlightened Being, a Gnani Purush, within whom near total Knowledge manifest, and this is what he calls God. Externally he remains the same. Those who came to know him, understand his words, recognized the Presence of the One within as near Perfect as a God in human form. Such Presence is a very very very rare happening in this world. The rare times when this has happened has resulted in a large new subsequent following which the world has identified as ‘your religion,’ ‘’my religion, ‘ long after such a One has left the world.

 

Dadashri has said that Simandhar Swami is the Perfect one in human form, alive and present in another world called Mahavideh. His visible formóas  acts and words through the sensesóis  as Perfect as His inner invisible State which is Perfect. That Perfect One within is the Self in all.

 

One’s appreciation of Dadashri begins after having received His Gnan the Knowledge of the Self, through His Gnan Vidhi which is now conducted by His follower Gnani. As one rises higher in the established State of this Gnan one begins to appreciate the Presence or even the Concept of a fully Self realized being, absolutely free from any trace of anger-deceit-greed or pride. Such a One is Lord Simandhar.

 

One is not expected to bow or revere either Dadashri or Simandhar. There is no expectation assigned to, put upon any new comer to Akram Vignan. Having come to the doorstep of the Gnani Purush, if one walks away, that is taken as an exact happening. If one lingers on and remains, that is fine too. Having received the Knowledge of the Self, the new comer to Akram Vignan has enough insights and knowledge to orient himself with reference to what he should be doing. There are no further instructions except those that are given following the Gnan Vidhi called the Five Agnas.

 

 

 

 

3.All what one can call “man made religions” requires a blind belief to start with and the rest of the religion is based on that blind belief. Does believing in Dadashri as God before one experience the promised Self can be considered the same?

 

The belief that human beings have with respect to their relative religions, worldly religious pursuits is not labeled as blind. It is called blind because one pursues it without being aware of who he really is. It is from the vantage and the view of the realized, the awakened One, that it is called ‘blind.’ For the one who is ‘doing’ it, following it, it is very real and awake!

 

One is not expected to believe in anything before entering into the Gnan Vidhi. Whatever belief one has, it is fine, one is only expected to question, ‘Am I really Chandulal?’ This doubt then leads to its natural conclusion through the live meeting with the Gnani Purush.

 

The Self is attained when the wrong belief, ‘I am Chandulal,’ is dispelled.  If you believe that , ‘I am Chandulal,’  is true and correct then this Akram Vignan is not for you. If you believe that Dadashri is a Gnani Purush, and enlightened Being then only he can help you, enlighten you. If you do not believe that he can help you, why do you waste your time and his time? If you go to a doctor, you go to him, because you believe he can help you. You take his medicine, because you are sick and you have a desire to be healed and you have a faith in the doctor. Faith is present in every moment of our life. Do you not have faith that you will wake up alive tomorrow morning when you go to sleep in the night? How will the food you eat help you if you doubt that it may have poison in it?

 

If you are sinking in the ocean and some human being reaches out, swims to you and saves you, swimming with you until you are safe on the solid shore, would you not have deep reverence and gratitude for him? Or would you just say thank you and walk away?

 

If you swimming just fine in the ocean of life and are not having any difficulties you need not find or seek a savior. But, if you find swimming in life bondage, a strain and difficult, there is a Savior available if you want to be saved. The real Savior is the one who liberates you. He does not demand that you worship him. Your worship-appreciation-gratitude would be a natural event.

 

 

4.In the web site I read (You are not being converted to a specific religion. The Self within all living beings is beyond any religion.) And in the very next sentence I read (You may be asked to bow down to an image of a God and a human being.) is it contradiction? And is it a must? And why using the word may? Is this optional?

 

Good question. The one you are bowing to is the Knowledge-the State-of the Enlightned One. Do you not respect a professor who has more knowledge than you? Without such respect is knowledge likely to come to you? If you believe that someone is going to hurt you, would you go near him? And if you believe that he is going to help you would you not defer to him, surrender to him?

 

If you want to buy an expensive watch do you not ask the expert seller to please tell you about the watches? There you are so careful and ask and  surrender to his knowledge. Now in matters of Liberation from suffering in life, no one wants to ask anything anyone. Most want to ‘do’ it in his way only.

 

As a Christian or a Muslim when you kneel, whom are you kneeling to? Who is He? Have you ever seen Him? Are you able to feel His Presence ? Where is He? Is He kind to you? Does He look after you?  If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then you need not come to Akram Vignan or Dadashri. You are fine where you are.

 

Every human being has an image of a God. Muslims have the Block of Black Marble in Mecca in the direction of which millions bow down daily.  Others have a Cross. Some others have an image of human form, an idol, some have more abstract images as Light, earth, Sky, Rocks, Mountain, you name it, it is there. Human beings are incapable of experiencing the Presence of God without an inner or an outer image. When all attempts at imaging stops, that is where God is. In the beginning of the Gnan Vidhi, bowing down to any imageóand one is free to chose his own Godly image, you may bring an image that is so famous in Meccaósignifies the surrender of the ego and the intellect which essentially protect the ignorance and perpetuate the suffering.

 

This Gnan Vidhi is not for the one who refuses to surrender the ego and the intellect. The bowingónamaskaaróis the external gesture only.

 

If you do not want to bow down the head to your God, then you have to answer what is it that you are seeking. It signifies that whatever you are up to and doing is fine with you. Then Akram Vignan is not for you.

 

You are standing at the door, which will open the Ocean of Bliss within you. But instead of letting someone open it for you, could it be that, you are finding faults with, and making conditions with the person who has the key.

 

Do you think that you can unlock this door by your own efforts?

 

Would you have any difficulty in bowing down to the God, the Lord within you? Do you accept that He lives within you?                    

 

 

5.And if the answer is (YES) how it can be said, “It will not disturb or touch any of your current knowledge, beliefs or ways of interacting with the world.”

 

This is very subtle. The Gnan of Dadashri that one receives relates to the new Light of Knowledge that begins after the Gnan Vidhi. This Light is the Light or Knowledge of the Self which is beyond any opinions, do’s or don’ts, right way or wrong way. In this new light one becomes the eternal blissful knower and seer of all that Chandulal is doing, thinking, feeling, contemplating, conniving, devising, good or bad, painful or pleasant, to the self or to others.

 

It is like the universal Light of the Sun. In that light one may make good use of it by cultivating food for humanity, or destroy man made or nature’s gifts like forests and ocean life. The Sun does not punish the evildoer, nor does it give any extra gifts to the one doing good things.

 

The current knowledge and beliefs of Chandulal are the effects of what he has brought forth from the past life and learnt under the teachers in this life. If new beneficial knowledge comes in, what happens to the old knowledge? Having learnt the knowledge of the use of electricity are you disturbed that you cannot use the knowledge of firewood use to heat your home?

 

All beliefs belong to Chandulal, and Knowledge belongs to the one who receives knowledge. Worldly knowledge is received by Chandulal from all whom he meets in life, the teachers, the cheats and the benevolent human beings, where as the Knowledge beyond the world and beyond the intellect can only be received from a Gnani Purush. 

 

 

 

6.And if the answer is (NO) can I receive the Gnan Vidhi without being asked (to bow down to an image of a God and a human being.)?

 

I think by now you already have the answer to this question.  Please remember, if you are not willing to sublimate and surrender your ego, you will not attain Gnan. I am Chandulal, I know something, I can manage by my own self, are all games that the ego plays and that is the root cause of ignorance and suffering in life. I am Chandulal is the ego.

 

If you are very hungry, have not eaten for many days and someone gives you some bread, would you not be thankful and grateful to him? Would you not naturally bow to him?

 

If you are willing to bow to a person for just some bread for one meal, why would you have any difficulty bowing-respecting revering the one who is going to free you from suffering and bondage life after life?

 

 

7.During the Gnan Vidhi (specially if it is conducted in Gujarati or Hindi) will I be asked to repeat words that I don’t understand and get the explanation for what I was saying later?

 

Depending on where you receive the Gnan Vidhi you will be repeating the sentences of the Vidhi in Gujarati and in English. This will be the case if it happens in UK or USA or Europe. In India if there is an overwhelming crowd , by the thousands of Indians, it will be in Gujarati or Hindi only.

 

Yes, you are provided with a booklet, which has many of the sentences that you repeat in the Gnan Vidhi. This booklet is in English.

 

 

The second group (beliefs after the Gnan Vidhi)

 

8.Do I have to believe in Dadashri as God to be able to follow his five Agnas?

 

9.Do I have to believe in Shri Simandhar Swami to be able to establish the prashashtha raag  (attachment which liberates)?

 

It is evident to me that you are reading a lot of the material on the web about Akram Vignan.

 

The questions above are not fair, because you are trying to place the cart before the horse.  The answers to these will come naturally after the Gnan Vidhi.

 

The critical question is do you really believe in Dadashri the Akram Vignani? Do you believe in him enough to want you to come to Him for the Gnan ? If this cannot be settled, entering the Gnan Vidhi is not for you. It is more critical to ask and clear your doubts before taking Gnan.

 

You seem to be struggling a lot with the term God. What is your definition of God? Are you satisfied with your current God? If not, why don’t you fight with him and insist on the right answers from Him?

 

 

Please note the following from a key web page on the dadashri web site:

 

 

Rare indeed are the souls in this world who lead you towards the bliss of the Self called moksha. Even more rare than these are the scriptures that describe the Self and show the ways to attain the Self. Even more rare than these are the Self realized masters who have attained the Self. An encounter with an Enlightened Master, an Atma Gnani and the consequent unfolding of the true desire for liberation within a seeker is extremely rare. The most rare of all is the direct establishment of The State of The Self, Self Realization within the seeker, at such a meeting.  

 

The third group (beliefs about reincarnation, free will versus destiny and consciousness)

 

10.I read the fault is of the sufferer; Avoid clashes; Adjust everywhere and whatever has happened is justice and it is all based on (the pending accounts from our previous life) is there any prove to previous life?

 

The core and the foundation of Akram Vignan Liberation is based on the belief of a life after life process of assuming different body states as a science of karma of cause and effects. This is the foundation of all spirituality in India for hundreds of centuries. While the enlightened Ones can ‘see’ life after life as you and I can see our current past life, most human beings are deeply covered with heavy layers of karma which prevent their vision and clarity in this matter.

 

Every effect has a cause and every cause leads to an effect. Nothing arises suddenly and spontaneously. When 2 atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen come together water forms. When two atoms of oxygen mix with 2 atoms of hydrogen, something else results.

 

Those who do not ‘see’ this cannot say they do not believe in it. They can only say that , ‘I cannot ‘see’ the process of the water forming.’ The scientist has no difficulty in this. He can ‘see’ it. Likewise the Tirthankaras, in their absolute knowledge can ‘see’ it all, the cause, the effect, and the effect of the effect, and the further subtle internal causation in current life which will bring an effect in the next life. To them a current life and the next life is just a continuation of the progression of the Soul, like you and I pass one day into the next with the sleep as the death between 2 days. To them death is nothing but sleep between two days.

 

If you move a glass of water from place X to place Y you cannot say that it simply is at place Y and it happened to be there. Not knowing the movement or the cause from X to Y is the reason to doubt the validity of cause and effect relationship. Likewise Chandulal’s current life is not some spontaneous phenomenon. Why is it that only you emigrated and worked so hard in your family while some other in the same family is still back home? Why is it that one of a twin brother in a rich family is suffering with disease while the other is just fine? Two friends are walking in a field and it starts to thunderstorm severely and there is a lot of lightning. One of the two is struck by the lightning and killed. The other is just fine. Why?

 

You are alone in a room in a new place. Someone you have never met before walks in. You look at each other and some thoughts arise. Where did they come from? You are attracted to that person. Why is this happening? What is the reason behind it?

 

You go and visit a new country or a new place that you know you have not seen before. There you enter a place  which gives you a strong sense of familiarity. You feel you have been there before, but you know you have not been there.

 

All of this is beyond intellect.

 

A mother is pregnant and her baby kicks her from inside and gives her a hard time. The baby does not come out normally and the doctors have to do much hard work to get the baby out. Another baby of the same mother is so good in pregnancy that mother feels good throughout and is happy to see her when she comes out. Another baby makes the  mother feel so good but then dies in utero.  Another one is so brain damaged that both the good mother and father who have been kind decent have to suffer the rest of their life taking care of the little one. The nicest guy you know develops terrible cancer. What is all this if not cause and effect. Because we see only the effect we cannot negate the cause. Because the effect begins in utero, we then have to place the cause before conception. That is the previous life.

 

 

If you do not believe in a previous or a future life, do you believe in the past and the present? Do you believe that if you speed at 100 mph in the city, that the chances are that you will kill someone? Do you believe that if you take a brand new razor blade and place it on your tongue that the chances are that you will cut your tongue a bit?  In these two instances you are the one with the inner vision and knowledge and the event is that which happens as an effect of a cause.

 

Can you visualize your first day in school? Can you see the face of your father mother and the teacher? That is the inner Vision and you are the ‘seer’ of that. That time related event happened and is gone, but You can still ‘see’ it. The enlightned Ones, the Gnanis can ‘see’ much more than just this life.

 

 

 

 

11.In whatever has happened is justice it say “If you understand and accept that, ‘Whatever happens is justice’, you will sail through life, unhindered) is it another Acceptance (blind believe) so one don’t ask any questions? Same like the rest of the religions? Is it an imaginary justice? Is one had to deceive himself to feel a bit better assuming he had a pervious life, then assuming that he did something wrong during that previous life and there for he can assume that he deserves what had happened based on a previous life he is not sure of?

 

Liberation, freedom in daily life means not to have any further internal and therefore external conflicts and clashes. This comes with knowledge, Gnan, light. When you have light, you will not take a mis step and fall flat on your face.

 

Again and again in life you have fallen, suffered, felt hurt because you were using the light of the intellect within which protects what Chandulal wants. It protects what Chandulal knows, and it wants to cover the mistakes of Chandulal and blame others when things go wrong. It wants to refuse to believe in cause and effect relationship. It wants to have and use arbitrary use of the term God. When something good is done, it says I did it and when something bad happens like a death in the family, it says it is the will of God. Does God give and take life?

 

 

The proof is in the pudding. When you eat the pudding, you do not have to say anything. The taste is the experience and once you experience what you are seeking all questions, arguments, denials and criticisms stop.

 

The question is what are you seeking? Do you want to find some peace? Do you want bliss? Do you want happiness? Do you want money? What are you looking for?

 

Look back in your life where you have fought hard for justice or your sense of right or wrong. Has it brought you any peace?  Have you lost in cases where you were right and innocent? Do you know of some very evil people who are still walking around freely ‘enjoying’ themselves?

 

Where are your enemies? Where are they/ Outside or inside you? Can you see them? If you can why can you not get rid of them if they are inside you? Without tackling your enemies within, how can you be free?

 

 

 

12.And in another place I read, “If we believe and accept that we are at fault”

Why should we believe and accept that?

 

To be free and truly happy in the long run.

 

13.In the web site I read (Are you curious about free will versus destiny? Do you wander about and give up understanding or defining consciousness? Here, you will find answers to all these and more) no I didn’t find any answers for these questions?

 

They are there. It is obvious you have not read all the books. That is fine. Those who believe in free will are right. Those who believe in destiny are right too. It is those who believe in a little bit of both who are confused. To get this in precision and laser like exactness, one has to take the Gnan of Dadashri.

 

 

With deep reverence for that within Chandulal that is rising higher towards the Self

 

shuddha

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