Continuation of a series of interaction with Juan Carlos from Spain

 

 

 

From: shuddha

To: Juan Carlos

Cc: James

Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:50 AM

Subject: Jainism and Akram Vignan 

Of Body And Soul, Birth And Death 

 
Please review the following by Ram Gopal and the comments on Akram Vignan that follow…


By Ram Gopal Jain

Jainism studies nature in its two essential aspects: living and non-living. It is therefore universal in nature. Living matter is a part of nature, having the vital property of chetna or consciousness, perception and knowledge. This living matter, commonly known as 'soul' in our worldly language, is subjected to the process of transmigration that is continuously perpetuating the cycle of birth and death through eternity.

The soul's manifestation each time in a new body is called birth. Correspondingly, exit of that soul from the body is known as death. This process has been going on since eternity and will continue to do so till the soul is liberated from its own implicating karmas, and is thereby free to obtain salvation or moksha. There are innumerable forms of life which synthesise the soul and body in different permutations and combinations. Human life is considered to be pre-eminent since it possesses the capacity to embody a separate sense called 'mind' along with the five other senses, through this composite medium of cognition can perceive the truth of nature.

 

From the ordinary point of view, the soul in the body is alive with four pranas, the five senses, energy in the body, ayu karma or age and vital respiration. But from a realistic point of view, the soul is alive due to its chetna shakti or consciousness which is its main property and cannot be separated from its core being.

 

The universe is existing since eternity and will last till infinity, and it is based on the scientific premise of 'cause and effect'. With every cause there is an effect. With action in nature there is a reaction. Potential energy is transformed to kinetic energy and in this process of transformation nothing is lost or gained. Modern science also grants that vital matter can neither be created nor destroyed. This universe has always existed. It has not been created by any God.

 

Jainism is also based on the same theory that the universe was not created by anyone and no one can destroy it. The cause of a soul's present embodiment within the body is related to the karmic particles it has accumulated in its karmic form from innumerable lives in the past. These karmas produce resulting consequences and soul experiences comprising happiness as well as sorrow in the present life. Because of karmas the soul is subjected to 'attachment', anger, greed, etc which pollute and burden its real nature of gyana or knowledge. These karmas can be dispensed with in human life and the soul can emerge triumphantly into the illuminated realm of salvation. The process of shedding karmas is directed through the act of meditation.

In human life and other lives in the universe there exists the polarity of purusha, male principle and prakriti, female principle. In human life the two biological forms, male and female and in the present worldly society the two kinds of lifestyles, the householder's and the monk's - each of these dimensions can benefit from the practice of meditation. In the new age this process of meditation and learning about the concept of the universe is extremely important. If our conception becomes clear we can approach salvation without doubt. The way to salvation through these two kinds of lifestyles, can be culled from Jainism.

 

The householder should know what is soul and what is body, what is birth and what is death, what are the properties of soul and what are the properties of non-living matter. One should know about karma in the light of cause and effect theory; how one gets rid of karmas which are accumulated in the soul through eternity. The time will come when householders will attain samyak darshan or right perception that is the basis of the achievement of moksha.

 

After achieving the objective of right perception one can adopt the lifestyles of monks and nuns for the practice of meditation. A monk's life demands renunciation of worldly involvements; that is, family life, business life or any sort of commercial occupation. He or she could glean a lot from a study of the literature of Jainism or concentrate on meditation. It is up to the seeker to find out the best way to achieve self-awareness and salvation. Although in the present age, salvation is a rare achievement, one can always try to get closer to Truth.

 

 

The above article from The Times of India highlights the Jain Religion.

 

Enter Akram Vignan and The World of Dada:

 

No change of life style is needed. Akram Vignan is especially relevant to householders. Only the Gnan of The Gnani is needed to attain freedom while living and final moksh is attained by following the Agnas of The Gnani. Akram Vignan establishes the state of Kshayak Samkit within 48 minutes. This means there are no more steps left to climb in the spiritual path. Only the following of The Agnas of The Gnani Purush remain. The transition from a relative religion to real religion... Atma Dharma is complete. This is the grace of The Gnani Purush.

 

No meditation is needed.  Akram Vignan establishes spontaneous meditation within. The Awakened One becomes the Observer of  all that is changing and finite. That is the final meditation.

 

No renunciation is needed. The only thing that is renunciated is ignorance of The Self. That is done by The Gnani Purush in the Gnan Vidhi.

 

Akram Vignan is new and relevant for our time. It has arisen after a million years. Dadashri is The Gnani Purush who opened it to all of us. Thousands have achieved moksh while living since 1962 and thousands are well on their way to the final moksh within a few life times. Salvation is no longer a rare achievement. 

 

Dada Bhagwan na Aseem Jai Jaikar Ho

 

shuddha

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Juan Carlos Garcia

To: shuddha

Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 5:57 PM

Subject: Re: Jainism and Akram Vignan Follow Up 

Thank you always Shuddha for your clarifiying answers to my juan,s so many questions.

If you get your contact with the real self through the Gyan Vidhi and therefore moksha from the body-mind reincarnation on this earth, then why we still may need from one to 15 life times to get final liberation?  iS it because we may be still to attached to body-mind identification that even with the Gyan Vidhi this identification continues? I mean for one side you are promised to get moksha but then on the other side you are on a probable (not for yourself to verify) 15 life times waiting list. Juan, wonders what sort of moksha is then the liberation you attain at the Gyan Vidhi?I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas, I am afraid of this moksha being diminished with the passing of the years( if it is not steady) and then being put in the waiting list. What can I do Shuddha, is all that correct? If one needs more than a life time for the final liberation, do we come back here anyway, or we are sent to a higher more evolved world (physical ,astral, or mental) where would be possible to evolve until final liberation life time? Sorry again Shuddha for insisting on the subject but as I don’t have more information than through you I beg you to put some light on this. I consider that If we start putting in the future what we can not see today how can we be sure that this will happen at all in such a big time span, is that not belief then? Thank you again Shuddha. Your answers are like bread for my hungry soul. If you don’t have time to answer I will understand it as I make too many. Be all blessings to you Shuddha¡        still juan¡

 

Original Message -----

From: shuddha

To: Juan Carlos Garcia

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:54 AM

Subject: Re: Jainism and Akram Vignan Follow Up 3 

 

Dear Juan:

 

As before let us take your questions and highlight them in parts.

 

If you get your contact with the real self through the Gyan Vidhi and therefore moksha from the body-mind reincarnation on this earth, then why  we still may need from one to 15 life times to get final liberation ?

 

The above question has an intrinsic error which is being corrected...

 

If you get your contact with the real self through the Gyan Vidhi

 

The Real,  The Self is realized in The Gnan Vidhi. The relative self of Juan is separated through Gnan, the Knowledge that takes hold . This Knowledge is: I Am Pure Soul. This Knowledge is not concerned with how many life times are going to be passed before final liberation. The question is for the one who was identifying with Juan as: I am Juan Carlos. This identification is shattered in the Gnan Vidhi. This identification is called wrong belief by The Gnani. The right belief is permanently established. This right belief is: I am Pure Soul... Shuddhatma. This Gnan will remain until final liberation... when all inner words cease.

 

If you get your contact with the real self through the Gyan Vidhi and therefore moksha from the body-mind reincarnation on this earth,then why  we still may need from one to 15 life times to get final liberation ?

 

For the one who is having the question after the Gnan Vidhi... the old Juan Carlos, the answer is very simple. Juan still wants to continue with the old ways of deluded world view interaction. That is the nature of Juan, the complex of thoughts, speech and acts which the world knows as Juan. However, whatever Juan thinks, says or does after the Gnan Vidhi becomes pure discharge.

 

This discharge is best understood thus. In the past life the three batteries of thought, speech and action were charged. In this life they are discharging. For the worldly people who have not been graced with the experiential knowledge of who am I, during discharge in this life new batteries are charging for next life. For the One who Awakens in the Gnan Vidhi, there is no further charging and only the discharge is left.

 

The doer is Juan. The Knower is You, after awakening. In sleep of deluded world view, both are one. Such a person will say, I know, I am Juan. The Awakened one will "say", I am the Knower of this person who says I am Juan.

 

Some human beings have heavy discharges. Some have light discharges. Some human beings have brought forth with them very heavy karma from past life. Some have brought light karma from past life. Both types meet the Gnani. Both are left with the discharge.

 

The discharge of Arjuna was left after he attained Gnan from Sri Krsna. This discharge was indeed very heavy for as you well know, he had to kill his brothers, teacher, uncle, and an entire army of kings and soldiers in front of him. Our dischrge is simply that which unfolds in this life. He annihilated the entire Kaurav enemy soldierfield and yet attained moksh. After The Gnan from Sri Krsna he did not have an iota of doubt about who he was and who was the doer. With the Gnan of Dadashri and His Five Agnas our task is much more simpler than Arjuna's.

 

Some human beings of this day and age have brought along with them heavy compressed karma from past life that prevent them from finishing off all of them in one life time. The very nature of these karma prevent them form exact application of The Gnan of The 5 Agnas of The Gnani Purush. Such folks may take a little longer than a lifetime or two for their final release. There are others who have made firm decision to live in the Gnan of The Agnas of The Gnani Purush no matter how tough or heavy the discharge of karma is in this life. For these folks final moksha is at hand, very near indeed.

 

 

Is it because we may be still to attached to body-mind identification that even with the Gyan Vidhi this identification continues?

 

Good question. Not you, but the the one with the old wrong belief. This belief, has been established as a habit for innuemerable lives. In this life this wrong belief is shattered. The new belief is sustained by the Gnan of The Five Agnas. The old belief will bother those who do not follow the Gnan of The Five Agnas.

 

I mean for one side you are promised to get moksha but then on the other side you are on a probable(not for yourself to verify) 15 life times waiting list.Juan, wonders what sort of moksha is then the liberation you attain at the Gyan Vidhi?

 

Let us examine this question and you will find that the answer is already in the question.

 

 

I mean for one side you are promised to get moksha

 

Moksha is liberation from the cycle of repeated births and deaths. This is guaranteed for those who attain the Gnan of The Self and live in The Gnan of The Five Agnas. This becomes a living experience for those who live their daily lives after this Gnan. This living experience is no longer a promise of the future. It becomes the present reality in this very life.

 

but then on the other side you are on a probable(not for yourself to verify) 15 life times waiting list.

 

There is no other side for those who live in the Gnan of the 5 Agnas of The Gnani Purush. The other side exists for those who live outside the Gnan of The Five Agnas of The Gnani Purush.

 

Juan,wonders what sort of moksha is then the liberation you attain at the Gyan Vidhi?

 

You will become the awakened Observer of all wonderings and musings of Juan. You will become free. You will become aware of the silly struggles of Juan, and day by day with the Gnan of The Five Agnas you will observe the freedom and bliss spreading over onto Juan. The first and the main tight knot of bondage is snapped cut by The Gnani Purush in the Gnan Vidhi. You will be acutely aware of this right away. The rest of the sense of bondage to all in this relative world, will slip away as you uphold your Knowledge of The Gnan of The Five Agnas, as the past life karma unfolds in front of you... as now truly discharging karma. When all have discharged you will not have to return to this earth.

 

I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,I am afraid of this moksha being diminished with the passing of the years( if it is not steady) and then being put in the waiting list.

 

 

I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,

 

I am with you. Very near.

 

 

I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,

 

The greatest Grace of The Gnani is that He establishes the Sadguru within you. He is your Satsang. The nature of human interaction is such that like minded folks find their kind. The mahatmas of The Gnani Purush Dadashri find themselves in such a situation.

 

I am afraid of this moksha being diminished with the passing of the years( if it is not steady) and then being put in the waiting list.

 

The waiting list will only happen if you deliberately fail to follow the Gnan of The Five Agnas of The Gnani Purush. 

When internal restlessness arises as a consequence of missed Agnas in the form of anger, pride oriented behavior, forgetting the Self and greed, You will know and revert to your living moksha by coming back within The Gnan of The Five Agnas of Dadashri.

 

Please note that Y capital is used for the awakened One... Shuddhatma  and y  small  is used for the sleeping deluded one... Juan.

 

 

I live very far away from any satsang of mahatmas,

 

You will be given the gift of a little booklet called Charan Vidhi in English after the Gnan Vidhi  which will sustain your satsang. I am sure you will find all else that sustains your satsang after this.

 

What can I do Shuddha ,is all that correct?

 

Again in parts...

 

What can I do Shuddha..

 

You do not have to do anything after you meet The Gnani Purush.

 

is all that correct?

 

The correct is established in The Gnan Vidhi. A lot of your questions will dissolve after that.

 

If one needs more than a life time for the final liberation ,do we come back here anyway, or we are sent to a higher more evolved world (physical ,astral, or mental) where would be possible to evolve until final liberation life time?

 

The Gnani Purush has promised that the environs of future life times for His mahatmas are going to be beyond anything so far experienced.

 

I like my gifts to be surprises. Every day of my life after meeting The Gnani has been a gift.

 

Sorry again Shuddha for insisting on the subject but as I dont have more information than through you I beg you to put some light on this.

 

I was just like you before the Gnan Vidhi, very eager to know and find out. When every fiber of my being surrendered to Him on Gurupurnima Day in 1991 in Los Angeles I became free. The next day I received His Gnan.

 

 

I consider that If we start putting in the future what we can not see today how can we be sure that this will happen at all in such a big time span, is that not belief then?

 

Again in parts...

This is a very good point from you

 

I consider that If we start putting in the future what we can not see today...

 

For the one who is not awakened, every thing... the past , the present and the future  become issues. For the awakened One, there is only the present. In the present, Bliss Exists. This bliss is the living growing experience of The Science of Akram. This bliss steadily replaces the old issues of pleasure and pain, right and wrong, early and late, here or there, this way or that, to do or not to do, and in short all worldly dualities.

 

is that not belief then?

 

There is not much to believe in the following example:

 

If you see a woman somewhere and become aware of how lovely and beautiful she is, later on will she not come to you within your inner vision as a lovely face? Why? You have carried her imprint within you.

 

If you see her but you become aware of her as another human being only. Will she come to you later in your inner vision? Why? You have nothing within you to take an imprint of her no matter how lovely others may consider her.

 

What is the difference between the two examples above?

Answer:

Inner imprints.

 

In Akram Vignan...new inner imprints are not formed. This is because the one who took the pictures is no longer there. The old ones will happen and wash off in The Gnan of The Five Agnas of The Gnani Purush.

 

Similarly, coming back to the main question of yours, the questioner vanishes in Akram Vignan. What is left is the old questioner and his discharging dying questions. Every question after Gnan, establishes his foundation more solidly on that which is The Self and rejects that which is not.

 

 

Thank you again Shuddha, your answers are like bread for my hungry soul. If you dont have time to answer I will understand it as I make too many. Be all blessings to  you

 

Even a drop from the vast ocean of the Knowledge of The Gnani has the capacity to douse the burning raging fires of suffering within human beings of this world. When he first started disseminating this Gnan in satsang, Pujya Dadashri had hardly three to four persons in satsang and he used to travel for hours in trains for satsang. He was acutely aware of not wasting a second away from satsang. We are now seeing the glorious benefits of his highest inner endeavour... purushaarth. The world is waking up to Akram Vignan and Living Bliss.

 

I share your blessings with the many many mahatmas, known and unknown who have made this exchange possible. I remain at their feet.

 

Thank you always Shuddha for your clarifiying answers to my juan,s so many questions.

 

The miracle is already happening....

You said... Juan's questions !! Juan wonders etc...

 

Jai Sat Chit Anand

shuddha

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:28 PM

Subject: Re: Jainism and Akram Vignan 

thank you Shudda for your e mail¡

I am waiting every day to go to London for the Gyan Vidhi ¡

In your e mail, as well as in the web it is stated that after the Gyan Vidhi, Gyan Purush himself establish you in relative state of moksha.This state will turn  next life in taking reincarnation on Simandhar universe where final moksha through his darshan will be obtained. It is  that simple? or one has to take more life times in-between in this world of total confusion where the meeting of a Gyan Purush is hardly impossible nor to say the unexpected spiritual conditions of next reincarnation. I see around me that nobody cares about seeking anything. That’s why,in this life that I feel the urge of  freedom and the disappointment of all being untrue, even myself. I would like my most that the infinite power of the Gyan Purush will take hold of me, and not allowing me to take reincarnation on this world where geting tied up to untrue is the only thing assured.Will this conexion through the Gyan Vidhi with the almighty force of Gyan Purush avoid this ever coming here again where getting lost is most probable? After Gyan vidhi, you have to do the five agnas so as to keep this state. Which are the five agnas you have to follow? If by any circumstance you don’t follow them, would Gyan Purush stop taking care of you? Will he not keep that  moksha for you, whatever may happens? I am afraid of bothering you with my questions Shudda,they all come from my sincerity. This creation is so full of dissapointment, that what you obtain today you lose it tomorrow or before passing away. Do you think Gyan PURUSH will stay by our side no matter what happens to us? Thank you so much for paying attention and understanding to me Shudda¡           juan

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: shuddha

To: Juan

Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 7:13 PM

Subject: Re: Jainism and Akram Vignan Follow Up 

Dear Juan:

 

The relevant elements of your questions have been highlighted for purposes of further light of Gnan.

 

 

I am waiting every day to go to London for the Gyan Vidhi

 

Such earnestness is key.  This is something that can not be created. Your spiritual development of many many life times has brought you to this level of earnestness. Time is coming near for you to come home to Your Self. Every fraction of that second of The Vidhi is pure and beyond words. In it lie the secrets to Freedom forever. Approach it with the highest reverence and the utmost humility and your rewards of the Ultimate Grace will happen.

 

The prayers of all mahatmas who read this are there for you.

 

 

In your e mail,as well as in the web it is stated that after the Gyan Vidhi,Gyan Purush himself establish you in relative state of moksha.

 

Moksha is the establishment of The Real. The Real is separated from the relative.You the Real is established , separate from the relative state of Juan. You become eternal and the pure Observer of the changing and perishable state of the world of Juan. Yes moksha is experienced even while living the interactions of this relative worldly life.

 

 

This state will turn  next life in taking rencarnation on Simandhar universe where final moksha through his darshan will be obtained. It is  that simple?

 

Yes. Indeed. Absolutely. We who have attained the bliss of moksh while living here have no doubts left about the promise of The Gnani Purush who has given us so much. He has made us experience the 99 percent of what he has said. Now the final 1 percent about the World of Simandhar is left to be experienced. We have no questions left about it because the 99 percent has become our experience.

 

 

or one has to take more life times inbetween in this world of total confusion where the meeting of a Gyan Purush is hardly impossible nor to say the unexpected spiritual conditions of next reincarnation.I see around me that nobody cares about seeking anything.

 

The Gnani Purush is the Gnan.  Gnan is The words that dispel darkness and ignorance forever. The Gnan is the Gnani Purush, not the body.

You will meet the Gnani Purush in the Gnan Vidhi.

 

nor to say the unexpected spiritual conditions of next reincarnation.I see around me that nobody cares about seeking anything.

 

Very true. Akram Vignan is not for every one. It is for the one who arrives at its door step. In this era of gross secular  religious views and slipping away from spirituality into meaningless materailism and violence through thoughts, speech and acts, human beings unknowingly are binding for even worse life times to come.

 

Not so for those who come to know The Akram Vignani. For his followers, moksh is guaranteed if they remain in his satsang and follow His 5 Agnas.

 

I see around me that nobody cares about seeking anything.

 

That is simply to be observed. You can not do anything about it. You have to be liberated first. The rest will follow naturally. This world with all its seeming justices and injustices has been here for eternity. Kingdoms and empires have been created and destroyed. Many  saints have come and gone with their good intent. The Gnani is very very rare.

 

Thats why, in this life that I feel the urge of  freedom and the dissapointment of all being untrue,even myself.

 

Freedom becomes an issue for the one who feels imprisoned and bound. Maaya...Illusion makes a man forget the suffering he has gone through life after life. Grace happens for the one who is now ready to awaken from this illusion.

 

Exact understanding of The Science of Dadashri will lift you up from all disppointments,  relative truths and untruths.

 

 

I would like my most that the infinite power of the Gyan Purush will take hold of me,and not allowing me to take rencarnation on this world where geting tied up to untrue is the only thing assured.

 

This is the experience of thousands now living in different parts of the world, finishing off their past life karma, form all walks of life.

 

 

Will this conexion through the Gyan Vidhi with the almighty force of Gyan Purush avoid this ever coming here again where getting lost is most probable?

 

Absolutely. The connection is only possible through The Gnani Purush.

He establishes His Presence within you as Gnan in the Gnan Vidhi.

Gnan is light. Where there is light there is no getting lost.

 

 

 After Gyan vidhi,you have to do the five agnas so as to keep this state.Which are the five agnas you have to follow?.

 

The Five Agnas follow the Gnan Vidhi process and are meant for the One who has separated from Juan in The Gnan Vidhi. By telling you about it now, which I will not do for a variety of reasons, I will be putting the cart before the horse. Would you agree?

 

Please be assured that the Agnas are designed by The Gnani so that you would not fall back into the world of life after life after life.

 

 

If by any circunstance you dont follow them,would Gyan Purush stop taking care of you?Will he not keep that moksha for you,whatever may happens?.

 

The Grace of The Gnani Purush is infinite and beyond human comprehension.

He will not let you fall after you have accepted Him.

 

Circumstances after the Gnan may prevent you in the following of Agnas, but if your firm determination is there to follow them no force in universe will obstruct you.

 

He has given a range of 1 to 15 more life times for those who have received His Gnan for final liberation. Those who follow Agnas fervently and as the sole goal of remaining life will meet Simandhar Swami in one more life time. That is His Promise.

 

 

I am afraid of bothering you with my questions Shudda,they all come from my sincerity.

 

I know. Dadashri has placed a great premium on such sincerity as yours. The entire spiritual world values sincerity as the highest virtue.

 

You are not bothering me at all. I am just another mahatma who remains at the feet of The Gnani Purush acutely aware of not deviating in any way from His Eternal Message and Promise.

 

 

This creation is so full of dissapointment, that what you obtain today you lose it tomorrow or before passing away.

 

You have said it well. That which is changing and transient is not your home. Come home and you will not be concerned with creation. Become the Blissful Observer of all creation... of cause and effect.

 

 

Do you think Gyan PURUSH will stay by our side no matter what happens to us?

 

 

It is no longer relevant to my thinking or anyone else's. I know that The Gnani Purush resides within me as Gnan. Gnan is Eternal. That which is temporary will be left here and we will have moved on to new worlds with Him within Us as Gnan.

 

In fact Gnani Purush becomes a part of You in The Gnan Vidhi. Then he becomes Your All.

 

 

Thank you so much for paying attention and understanding to me.

 

 

Please thank the Gnani Purush. He is the One who Leads. Moksha is the living experience of all at His Feet.

 

 

Love and

Jai Sat Chit Anand

shuddha

 

 

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